1 00:00:34,790 --> 00:00:13,460 [Music] 2 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:37,740 hello and welcome to the show I am 3 00:00:41,580 --> 00:00:39,970 Martin Willis your host and we have a 4 00:00:43,380 --> 00:00:41,590 great one for you this evening we have a 5 00:00:46,910 --> 00:00:43,390 Kevin day we're gonna be talking in 6 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:46,920 depth about the USS Nimitz case back in 7 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:50,050 2004 we'll get into his background a 8 00:00:54,030 --> 00:00:52,330 little bit later and I do want to thank 9 00:00:56,460 --> 00:00:54,040 everyone that helps support the show 10 00:00:59,130 --> 00:00:56,470 anyone can do that that's on podcast UFO 11 00:01:01,350 --> 00:00:59,140 comm I also want to thank the people 12 00:01:03,509 --> 00:01:01,360 that helped out with the show and also 13 00:01:06,570 --> 00:01:03,519 speaking of that helping out every week 14 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:06,580 now we have a new blog over at podcast 15 00:01:11,850 --> 00:01:09,850 UFO calm charles lear as writing blogs 16 00:01:14,580 --> 00:01:11,860 for us he has sort of a skeptical 17 00:01:16,469 --> 00:01:14,590 attitude in his blogs up getting a 18 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:16,479 little bit of feedback a lot of positive 19 00:01:20,969 --> 00:01:19,090 feedback too so check out those stories 20 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:20,979 on the website i think we have four of 21 00:01:27,749 --> 00:01:24,250 them so far in the last four weeks and i 22 00:01:30,810 --> 00:01:27,759 think that is going to be about it i'm 23 00:01:32,940 --> 00:01:30,820 back at my own home studio and it feels 24 00:01:34,980 --> 00:01:32,950 great with all the equipment here 25 00:01:36,780 --> 00:01:34,990 hopefully there won't be any failures we 26 00:01:39,540 --> 00:01:36,790 had a little bit of technical difficulty 27 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:39,550 trying to get our guests rolling of this 28 00:01:43,950 --> 00:01:42,730 evening but he says it seems to be 29 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:43,960 happening to him almost like he's 30 00:01:49,740 --> 00:01:46,090 targeted but i don't want to start any 31 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:49,750 any rumors or anything but it'll be 32 00:01:53,850 --> 00:01:51,730 interesting to see if we can make it all 33 00:01:55,500 --> 00:01:53,860 the way through this show hopefully his 34 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:55,510 phone is good and charged and we're 35 00:02:00,450 --> 00:01:56,170 ready to go 36 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:00,460 alejandro welcome to the show hello 37 00:02:07,950 --> 00:02:04,090 hello thank you so much it's great to be 38 00:02:09,509 --> 00:02:07,960 here yeah now you were i saw your 39 00:02:11,759 --> 00:02:09,519 Facebook postings this weekend looks 40 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:11,769 like you were having a blast that's oh 41 00:02:16,559 --> 00:02:15,010 yeah a lot of doing what uh-huh yeah in 42 00:02:18,949 --> 00:02:16,569 fact the news that I'll be talk about 43 00:02:21,509 --> 00:02:18,959 talking about is related to it because 44 00:02:23,580 --> 00:02:21,519 one of the big pieces of news is that 45 00:02:27,289 --> 00:02:23,590 you know the History Channel it's going 46 00:02:30,869 --> 00:02:27,299 to be doing a show essentially it's 47 00:02:33,269 --> 00:02:30,879 related to to the Stars Academy but also 48 00:02:35,129 --> 00:02:33,279 a tip the program of course that Lou 49 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:35,139 Elizondo ran and I'll talk more about 50 00:02:40,110 --> 00:02:37,930 what Lou shared this weekend because he 51 00:02:43,850 --> 00:02:40,120 is there at this event that you alluded 52 00:02:45,780 --> 00:02:43,860 to the anomalous aerospace phenomena 53 00:02:48,199 --> 00:02:45,790 conference which was hosted by the 54 00:02:50,100 --> 00:02:48,209 scientific Coalition for ufology 55 00:02:51,690 --> 00:02:50,110 something I've been with since the 56 00:02:54,509 --> 00:02:51,700 beginning and of course you've had 57 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:54,519 Robert Powell I think you've had Morgan 58 00:02:59,940 --> 00:02:56,530 Beal and ritsch Hoffman some of the 59 00:03:03,000 --> 00:02:59,950 other people in particular you've had 60 00:03:04,920 --> 00:03:03,010 Robert lately on a Nimitz case so one of 61 00:03:07,860 --> 00:03:04,930 the things and one of the highlights of 62 00:03:10,789 --> 00:03:07,870 the programming was Robert Powell at 63 00:03:13,860 --> 00:03:10,799 PETA really going over their findings 64 00:03:15,780 --> 00:03:13,870 and their investigation of the Nimitz 65 00:03:19,110 --> 00:03:15,790 case so that was really interesting 66 00:03:21,690 --> 00:03:19,120 especially in the calculations of the 67 00:03:23,640 --> 00:03:21,700 speed the case is extraordinary of 68 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:23,650 course we've spent a lot of time talking 69 00:03:28,949 --> 00:03:26,290 about it and your guests you're going to 70 00:03:31,349 --> 00:03:28,959 be talking about it with him but the 71 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:31,359 speeds that they estimated this thing 72 00:03:39,270 --> 00:03:34,650 traveling at and the power consumption 73 00:03:43,140 --> 00:03:39,280 were the power that exhibited by the 74 00:03:46,949 --> 00:03:43,150 craft with their estimations are huge so 75 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:46,959 thousands of miles an hour they estimate 76 00:03:54,770 --> 00:03:51,370 the thing you know likely had if it were 77 00:03:57,180 --> 00:03:54,780 a a solid object moving at these 78 00:04:00,360 --> 00:03:57,190 accelerations that were observed the 79 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:00,370 g-forces were huge at least somewhere in 80 00:04:07,649 --> 00:04:03,730 the order of you know hundreds of 81 00:04:10,649 --> 00:04:07,659 g-forces and then hundreds of G's and 82 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:10,659 just for it so people know like geez 83 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:13,690 typically an air freud or pilot will 84 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:16,810 experience up to nine G's an aircraft 85 00:04:21,719 --> 00:04:18,849 can only take a little more than that 86 00:04:25,770 --> 00:04:21,729 before it starts falling apart now at 87 00:04:27,990 --> 00:04:25,780 times for quick time to a can't they 88 00:04:30,020 --> 00:04:28,000 can't experience maybe 16 G's but this 89 00:04:33,899 --> 00:04:30,030 is for a small period of time and 90 00:04:35,850 --> 00:04:33,909 experiencing that much g-forces over an 91 00:04:38,610 --> 00:04:35,860 extended period of time could kill you 92 00:04:41,610 --> 00:04:38,620 though most any humans ever experiences 93 00:04:44,790 --> 00:04:41,620 in the range of 40 G's a doctor a 94 00:04:47,909 --> 00:04:44,800 scientist was using himself as a guinea 95 00:04:52,290 --> 00:04:47,919 pig and it was for a split second and he 96 00:04:53,939 --> 00:04:52,300 broke bones yeah and I had major issues 97 00:04:56,969 --> 00:04:53,949 the g-forces that would have been 98 00:04:59,640 --> 00:04:56,979 necessary for for what was observed in 99 00:05:02,399 --> 00:04:59,650 the namib incident are at in the order 100 00:05:05,309 --> 00:05:02,409 of hundreds of G's if not thousands so 101 00:05:09,209 --> 00:05:05,319 certainly something that not only humans 102 00:05:11,670 --> 00:05:09,219 couldn't resist but also any mechanical 103 00:05:14,159 --> 00:05:11,680 devices aircraft we have also wouldn't 104 00:05:16,290 --> 00:05:14,169 be able to to take those g-forces so 105 00:05:18,420 --> 00:05:16,300 really cool stuff that they did there 106 00:05:20,490 --> 00:05:18,430 yeah so I just want to mention this 107 00:05:22,980 --> 00:05:20,500 while we're on this topic and that is 108 00:05:26,159 --> 00:05:22,990 there were also speeds at high altitude 109 00:05:28,050 --> 00:05:26,169 of very slow speeds of I think a hundred 110 00:05:30,510 --> 00:05:28,060 miles an hour or a hundred knots or 111 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:30,520 below which oh it was observed 112 00:05:37,619 --> 00:05:34,330 sustainable sitting at a standstill yeah 113 00:05:39,959 --> 00:05:37,629 that's even more spectacular huh oh yeah 114 00:05:43,830 --> 00:05:39,969 yeah just not that you know sitting 115 00:05:45,929 --> 00:05:43,840 still completely so yeah a really cool 116 00:05:47,339 --> 00:05:45,939 analysis that report I know will be 117 00:05:50,100 --> 00:05:47,349 coming out in the next couple of weeks 118 00:05:52,170 --> 00:05:50,110 for everybody to see and hopefully it 119 00:05:54,990 --> 00:05:52,180 won't be too long till we're able to 120 00:05:56,820 --> 00:05:55,000 also get something together now where 121 00:05:58,860 --> 00:05:56,830 that PowerPoint in kind of the summary 122 00:06:02,760 --> 00:05:58,870 of the analysis we'll be able to put up 123 00:06:06,180 --> 00:06:02,770 on an SCU webpage or a YouTube page as 124 00:06:07,980 --> 00:06:06,190 well so yeah that was really exciting 125 00:06:10,860 --> 00:06:07,990 another piece of news out there you'll 126 00:06:14,189 --> 00:06:10,870 see an article on The Daily Express it's 127 00:06:17,490 --> 00:06:14,199 titled UFO sightings NASA expert urges 128 00:06:19,649 --> 00:06:17,500 to take alien claims seriously there 129 00:06:22,469 --> 00:06:19,659 must be life and this is an article that 130 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:22,479 came out before the conference but it 131 00:06:28,469 --> 00:06:25,650 was an interview with one of the other 132 00:06:32,179 --> 00:06:28,479 presenters and that was dr. Kevin Knuth 133 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:32,189 he's an associate professor and Albani 134 00:06:37,649 --> 00:06:35,650 at suny actually and he teaches space 135 00:06:40,379 --> 00:06:37,659 and and he's worked for NASA for a 136 00:06:44,670 --> 00:06:40,389 period of time his talk was extremely 137 00:06:47,999 --> 00:06:44,680 interesting in that he was going over uh 138 00:06:50,909 --> 00:06:48,009 you know when you're dealing with speeds 139 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:50,919 that are close to the speed of light or 140 00:06:57,779 --> 00:06:55,210 even a fraction up to over 0.25 now the 141 00:07:00,089 --> 00:06:57,789 speed of light then there are now time 142 00:07:01,559 --> 00:07:00,099 anomalies so the people traveling at 143 00:07:03,499 --> 00:07:01,569 that speed are experiencing time 144 00:07:05,310 --> 00:07:03,509 different than the people who aren't 145 00:07:08,950 --> 00:07:05,320 traveling at those be 146 00:07:11,980 --> 00:07:08,960 that's important for perspective so for 147 00:07:14,590 --> 00:07:11,990 example he talks about how you know a 148 00:07:16,779 --> 00:07:14,600 lot of the questions we have could be 149 00:07:19,060 --> 00:07:16,789 related to just major perceptions 150 00:07:22,810 --> 00:07:19,070 differences in the perception of time so 151 00:07:24,430 --> 00:07:22,820 for instance if we saw a craft and 152 00:07:26,140 --> 00:07:24,440 people have talked about how to craft 153 00:07:27,820 --> 00:07:26,150 that we're seeing 50 years ago are very 154 00:07:31,390 --> 00:07:27,830 similar today you know aren't they 155 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:31,400 advancing well his point is that you 156 00:07:36,909 --> 00:07:33,050 know depending on on where they're 157 00:07:39,070 --> 00:07:36,919 traveling and how we could be seeing you 158 00:07:41,110 --> 00:07:39,080 know a craft 50 years later but the 159 00:07:43,270 --> 00:07:41,120 perception of the person traveling in 160 00:07:47,529 --> 00:07:43,280 that craft is that it only may be a day 161 00:07:51,100 --> 00:07:47,539 or less has passed so he talks about you 162 00:07:54,010 --> 00:07:51,110 know that could be the same craft and 163 00:07:56,589 --> 00:07:54,020 also if that's the case let's say every 164 00:07:58,360 --> 00:07:56,599 time they come back here 50 years has 165 00:08:00,430 --> 00:07:58,370 passed to us whereas it's been only a 166 00:08:02,260 --> 00:08:00,440 smaller amount in time to them they 167 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:02,270 wouldn't want to interact because you 168 00:08:06,790 --> 00:08:04,610 know it would be useless with that major 169 00:08:08,770 --> 00:08:06,800 difference in time you couldn't have a 170 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:08,780 conversation and our culture is going to 171 00:08:13,750 --> 00:08:12,050 be very different so a lot of really 172 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:13,760 interesting things in fact today's talk 173 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:15,650 was a lot more fun and intricate than 174 00:08:21,629 --> 00:08:17,570 that but hopefully we'll see that soon 175 00:08:24,219 --> 00:08:21,639 as well but what was really exciting 176 00:08:26,580 --> 00:08:24,229 last week we had this announcement of 177 00:08:29,350 --> 00:08:26,590 the History Channel show called 178 00:08:32,409 --> 00:08:29,360 unidentified that will be about real 179 00:08:36,610 --> 00:08:32,419 investigations related to to the Stars 180 00:08:39,310 --> 00:08:36,620 and what Lou Elizondo told us while he 181 00:08:42,730 --> 00:08:39,320 was there speaking is that you know a 182 00:08:44,590 --> 00:08:42,740 lot of these cases he refers to he often 183 00:08:46,060 --> 00:08:44,600 tells us there's more than just an image 184 00:08:49,060 --> 00:08:46,070 case even though we've only heard from 185 00:08:50,949 --> 00:08:49,070 witnesses or even reports related to 186 00:08:52,540 --> 00:08:50,959 nimitz that there are other cases that 187 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:52,550 he can't share details or information 188 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:55,610 about well this History Channel show is 189 00:08:59,740 --> 00:08:57,890 going to be sharing that information so 190 00:09:01,449 --> 00:08:59,750 more of these cases some of which he 191 00:09:03,579 --> 00:09:01,459 says are even more extraordinary than 192 00:09:04,900 --> 00:09:03,589 nimitz which is hard to wrap your head 193 00:09:06,910 --> 00:09:04,910 around because it was such an 194 00:09:08,650 --> 00:09:06,920 extraordinary case but there are other 195 00:09:10,420 --> 00:09:08,660 witnesses so of course we've heard from 196 00:09:14,290 --> 00:09:10,430 great witnesses Kevin who you're having 197 00:09:16,420 --> 00:09:14,300 on on David flavor some others but we're 198 00:09:19,030 --> 00:09:16,430 gonna also hear from witnesses related 199 00:09:21,250 --> 00:09:19,040 to more military cases that were covered 200 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:21,260 like I said some of which Elizondo says 201 00:09:26,170 --> 00:09:23,770 are better than the Nimitz case right 202 00:09:29,290 --> 00:09:26,180 you know the one off of Florida for 203 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:29,300 instance you know was a pretty big case 204 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:31,610 it'd be great to hear from them but you 205 00:09:37,330 --> 00:09:34,490 know I'm just wondering what the you 206 00:09:39,790 --> 00:09:37,340 know the the film footage is out there 207 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:39,800 that you know has not been seen that's 208 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:42,890 that's I mean it's it must be really 209 00:09:48,220 --> 00:09:46,610 amazing what Lou actually knows you know 210 00:09:49,750 --> 00:09:48,230 that can't he can't come out with I 211 00:09:53,740 --> 00:09:49,760 loved I'd love to know what's in his 212 00:09:56,380 --> 00:09:53,750 brain yeah I know and you know he's 213 00:09:58,780 --> 00:09:56,390 excited to share and he made this 214 00:10:02,410 --> 00:09:58,790 emphasis you know it's something that he 215 00:10:05,740 --> 00:10:02,420 said all along is that you know he's a 216 00:10:07,450 --> 00:10:05,750 patriot yeah well he does agree more 217 00:10:09,790 --> 00:10:07,460 information about this should come out 218 00:10:12,130 --> 00:10:09,800 and you know really if it wasn't for him 219 00:10:13,900 --> 00:10:12,140 coming out and telling us about a tip we 220 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:13,910 make we probably still would not know 221 00:10:19,180 --> 00:10:16,730 about it so he even left and came out 222 00:10:20,860 --> 00:10:19,190 and talked about it however one of the 223 00:10:22,570 --> 00:10:20,870 questions I asked actually it did he 224 00:10:25,330 --> 00:10:22,580 consider himself a whistleblower he says 225 00:10:27,070 --> 00:10:25,340 no because although although he's kind 226 00:10:28,870 --> 00:10:27,080 of straddling a gray line he says a 227 00:10:30,610 --> 00:10:28,880 whistleblower someone who sees something 228 00:10:32,110 --> 00:10:30,620 going on that shouldn't be going on and 229 00:10:34,150 --> 00:10:32,120 comes out and talks about it even if 230 00:10:36,270 --> 00:10:34,160 it's classified and he's not doing that 231 00:10:39,490 --> 00:10:36,280 he's not sharing classified information 232 00:10:41,410 --> 00:10:39,500 however he felt this information that 233 00:10:43,810 --> 00:10:41,420 was you know being collected by his 234 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:43,820 group should be coming out and getting 235 00:10:47,740 --> 00:10:45,770 to his superiors but it wasn't and 236 00:10:50,710 --> 00:10:47,750 that's why he resigned and now is 237 00:10:55,630 --> 00:10:50,720 sharing what he can of this information 238 00:10:57,310 --> 00:10:55,640 to the you know even though it you know 239 00:10:58,960 --> 00:10:57,320 many people that are still on the inside 240 00:11:02,350 --> 00:10:58,970 did not want him to share this 241 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:02,360 information and and you know we now have 242 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:04,250 heard that at the beginning when he 243 00:11:08,170 --> 00:11:06,050 shared this information or more people 244 00:11:10,270 --> 00:11:08,180 that were upset now people have become a 245 00:11:12,910 --> 00:11:10,280 little upset but the progress that 246 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:12,920 they've made is huge and of course the 247 00:11:16,230 --> 00:11:14,570 television show shooting of that we 248 00:11:18,490 --> 00:11:16,240 haven't been able to see a lot of that 249 00:11:21,460 --> 00:11:18,500 and a lot of the progress they have made 250 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:21,470 for instance with working with with the 251 00:11:24,940 --> 00:11:23,090 government and politicians we haven't 252 00:11:26,260 --> 00:11:24,950 been able to see a lot of that I know 253 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:26,270 kevin has shared some of that 254 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:28,730 information and you all will be able to 255 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:31,610 talk about that but there's been a lot 256 00:11:35,050 --> 00:11:32,810 more attention and 257 00:11:37,690 --> 00:11:35,060 credible attention to this topic which 258 00:11:41,140 --> 00:11:37,700 is really exciting and in fact you know 259 00:11:44,010 --> 00:11:41,150 this the seu event was held near the 260 00:11:46,780 --> 00:11:44,020 Redstone Arsenal near the Rocket Center 261 00:11:48,910 --> 00:11:46,790 this is the area in Alabama Huntsville 262 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:48,920 out of Alabama where there's Project 263 00:11:56,940 --> 00:11:52,970 Paperclip a German scientist came after 264 00:12:01,030 --> 00:11:56,950 World War two began you know the u.s. 265 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:01,040 missile and rocketry programs are really 266 00:12:06,970 --> 00:12:03,890 you know gave him a kickstart and NASA 267 00:12:08,950 --> 00:12:06,980 was began here so this is kind of where 268 00:12:11,790 --> 00:12:08,960 this all began and there were a lot of 269 00:12:13,990 --> 00:12:11,800 scientists in the area that we are 270 00:12:16,060 --> 00:12:14,000 interested in the topic but they want to 271 00:12:19,570 --> 00:12:16,070 hear more credible information so having 272 00:12:22,420 --> 00:12:19,580 these PhDs and LU Elizondo there in the 273 00:12:24,700 --> 00:12:22,430 area brought out some of the scientists 274 00:12:26,980 --> 00:12:24,710 that are interested who still want to 275 00:12:31,990 --> 00:12:26,990 kind of not necessarily share their 276 00:12:33,370 --> 00:12:32,000 interests for fear of ridicule and Kevin 277 00:12:35,710 --> 00:12:33,380 can talk about some of the ridicule I 278 00:12:37,980 --> 00:12:35,720 know they faced when they had their 279 00:12:43,630 --> 00:12:37,990 sighting even by you know fellow 280 00:12:45,820 --> 00:12:43,640 military men but it's kind of it just 281 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:45,830 brought this level of credibility and it 282 00:12:50,500 --> 00:12:48,170 provided for this incredible environment 283 00:12:52,300 --> 00:12:50,510 that we had this weekend where it was 284 00:12:55,660 --> 00:12:52,310 all very serious it was very 285 00:12:59,440 --> 00:12:55,670 science-based it was academic a plethora 286 00:13:01,990 --> 00:12:59,450 of PhDs there to discuss at a very high 287 00:13:04,300 --> 00:13:02,000 level the different possibilities of 288 00:13:08,950 --> 00:13:04,310 what could be going on here and evident 289 00:13:11,110 --> 00:13:08,960 that you know we we have related to this 290 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:11,120 phenomena so yeah it was an 291 00:13:16,329 --> 00:13:13,850 extraordinary weekend well great well 292 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:16,339 alejandro well i'm glad you're back and 293 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:19,490 thanks so much for coming on and giving 294 00:13:23,829 --> 00:13:20,810 us up-to-date 295 00:13:25,630 --> 00:13:23,839 and we'll be talking to you next week my 296 00:13:29,230 --> 00:13:25,640 pleasure talk to you next week all right 297 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:29,240 have a good one thank you alright so our 298 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:30,890 guest well first of all I want to say a 299 00:13:36,790 --> 00:13:33,770 little shout out to Lisa she's brand-new 300 00:13:38,410 --> 00:13:36,800 to the show and there's many many people 301 00:13:40,210 --> 00:13:38,420 I should be giving a shout out to all 302 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:40,220 the people that helped out with the show 303 00:13:44,290 --> 00:13:42,530 and if you'd like me to give you a shout 304 00:13:46,660 --> 00:13:44,300 out and you helped out with the show 305 00:13:51,850 --> 00:13:46,670 please do 306 00:13:52,690 --> 00:13:51,860 UFO comm I'd be glad to so anyway our 307 00:13:55,570 --> 00:13:52,700 guest 308 00:13:59,350 --> 00:13:55,580 Kevin day he is a retired United States 309 00:14:01,420 --> 00:13:59,360 Navy senior chief petty officer a former 310 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:01,430 Operations Specialist and Top Gun air 311 00:14:06,250 --> 00:14:03,650 intercept controller with more than 20 312 00:14:09,270 --> 00:14:06,260 years experience in Strike Group air 313 00:14:12,130 --> 00:14:09,280 defense including wartime operations an 314 00:14:14,890 --> 00:14:12,140 expert operator of the highly advanced 315 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:14,900 spy-1 radar system which is top-notch 316 00:14:20,140 --> 00:14:16,450 they don't get any better than that 317 00:14:23,650 --> 00:14:20,150 with years of service on board the aegis 318 00:14:25,210 --> 00:14:23,660 equipped ships including the USS then 319 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:25,220 scenes of probably getting that wrong 320 00:14:31,180 --> 00:14:28,970 USS chosen and the Princeton where this 321 00:14:31,810 --> 00:14:31,190 story begins and we're gonna be talking 322 00:14:35,350 --> 00:14:31,820 to him now 323 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:35,360 welcome to the show Kevin well thanks 324 00:14:39,460 --> 00:14:37,490 for having me very glad to be here yeah 325 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:39,470 I'm sorry uh sorry we couldn't get you 326 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:41,330 on skype boy we sure tried hard though 327 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:44,810 didn't we we did we gave we gave it a 328 00:14:48,580 --> 00:14:46,490 run I'm not sure what's going on with my 329 00:14:50,350 --> 00:14:48,590 Skype connection or my internet in 330 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:50,360 general for that matter right I think 331 00:14:53,940 --> 00:14:52,130 that was the acting kind of strange I 332 00:14:57,460 --> 00:14:53,950 think we gave that a full hour try 333 00:14:59,410 --> 00:14:57,470 that's enough okay here you on the phone 334 00:15:00,850 --> 00:14:59,420 I'm sorry you're not on video but you're 335 00:15:04,030 --> 00:15:00,860 on the phone and that's a real pleasure 336 00:15:05,710 --> 00:15:04,040 to have you on it's a real pleasure to 337 00:15:07,540 --> 00:15:05,720 be here thank you I thank you and I 338 00:15:08,980 --> 00:15:07,550 first connected I was looking at email 339 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:08,990 and stuff I think you and I first 340 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:12,170 connected all the way back last June 341 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:14,450 you perhaps listened to a show I did 342 00:15:19,540 --> 00:15:16,610 with Robert Powell I'm not really sure 343 00:15:20,890 --> 00:15:19,550 how that all came together can you we I 344 00:15:25,870 --> 00:15:20,900 do want to go over the incident in 345 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:25,880 general but I want to also go over when 346 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:28,130 you decided to actually come out and 347 00:15:33,340 --> 00:15:31,370 talk about this well this this whole 348 00:15:36,430 --> 00:15:33,350 years been quite a whirlwind for me I 349 00:15:38,260 --> 00:15:36,440 was actually waiting tables down in our 350 00:15:39,700 --> 00:15:38,270 local golf course for free because I've 351 00:15:42,730 --> 00:15:39,710 been trying to help save it from 352 00:15:45,430 --> 00:15:42,740 bankruptcy and which we have by the way 353 00:15:48,690 --> 00:15:45,440 which is a great news story and I saw 354 00:15:50,650 --> 00:15:48,700 the CNN story break on on CNN about 355 00:15:54,670 --> 00:15:50,660 commander flavor coming out about the 356 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:54,680 UFO incident and I basically dropped 357 00:15:59,530 --> 00:15:56,330 everything I was doing at that moment I 358 00:15:59,950 --> 00:15:59,540 was in shock and I was awed that this 359 00:16:02,050 --> 00:15:59,960 was half 360 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:02,060 and I knew instantly right then I had to 361 00:16:09,070 --> 00:16:05,450 back up I had to back up my former my 362 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:09,080 former colleague and mate because 363 00:16:12,790 --> 00:16:11,450 you know this this incident really did 364 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:12,800 happen and it's kind of a strange 365 00:16:17,350 --> 00:16:15,650 situation cuz when it happens to you you 366 00:16:18,910 --> 00:16:17,360 the people that you think are gonna 367 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:18,920 believe you don't necessarily really 368 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:20,210 believe you hmm 369 00:16:25,060 --> 00:16:23,450 and so you kind of tend to maybe not 370 00:16:26,410 --> 00:16:25,070 talk about it and that's kind of what 371 00:16:27,670 --> 00:16:26,420 happened to me for years and years and 372 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:27,680 years Wow 373 00:16:32,350 --> 00:16:29,810 yeah that that's that was a that was 374 00:16:35,020 --> 00:16:32,360 back then yeah it was back what is it 375 00:16:37,090 --> 00:16:35,030 just over a year ago now and so I 376 00:16:39,010 --> 00:16:37,100 started I started reaching out you know 377 00:16:42,310 --> 00:16:39,020 I started I contacted Robert Powell and 378 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:42,320 he contacting right away and I joined a 379 00:16:46,420 --> 00:16:44,570 group on Facebook that's a private 380 00:16:49,630 --> 00:16:46,430 closed group called a tip signature 381 00:16:51,220 --> 00:16:49,640 Pentagon program and one thing led to 382 00:16:52,780 --> 00:16:51,230 another started reaching out to some of 383 00:16:56,830 --> 00:16:52,790 my former shipmates and the whole thing 384 00:16:59,260 --> 00:16:56,840 just kind of snowballed and I'm kind of 385 00:17:01,990 --> 00:16:59,270 kind of a arrived at you know brings us 386 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:02,000 up to date on that well yes and I should 387 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:03,530 say because of some people got my 388 00:17:09,060 --> 00:17:05,810 newsletter out there that we were gonna 389 00:17:11,260 --> 00:17:09,070 have three guests you Jason Turner and 390 00:17:14,290 --> 00:17:11,270 David Beaty but that just didn't work 391 00:17:18,190 --> 00:17:14,300 out David is at a conference that 392 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:18,200 couldn't make it and Jason just was it 393 00:17:22,930 --> 00:17:19,850 just couldn't couldn't be on the show I 394 00:17:25,210 --> 00:17:22,940 guess so it's it's too bad but I'm 395 00:17:27,670 --> 00:17:25,220 really glad that you hung in there and 396 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:27,680 here you are so I do appreciate that 397 00:17:32,980 --> 00:17:30,650 yeah I just I just think it's important 398 00:17:35,020 --> 00:17:32,990 I want to do more and more shows like 399 00:17:37,540 --> 00:17:35,030 this because I got to tell you Mike 400 00:17:40,450 --> 00:17:37,550 Martin my personal goal out of this I 401 00:17:42,220 --> 00:17:40,460 want the truth to come out and what I 402 00:17:43,510 --> 00:17:42,230 really want to do is I want to I want to 403 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:43,520 get a group of us together that were 404 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:45,170 there the witness is saying and I want 405 00:17:51,340 --> 00:17:47,330 to I want to go tell Congress about it I 406 00:17:52,810 --> 00:17:51,350 want to talk about it and I want them to 407 00:17:55,930 --> 00:17:52,820 know that it really did happen they were 408 00:17:58,600 --> 00:17:55,940 they were they were real objects they 409 00:18:00,880 --> 00:17:58,610 appeared to be aware and they appeared 410 00:18:03,130 --> 00:18:00,890 to be pressing in and the flight 411 00:18:06,190 --> 00:18:03,140 characteristics can only really be 412 00:18:09,100 --> 00:18:06,200 described as non-newtonian but we what 413 00:18:10,750 --> 00:18:09,110 we saw was completely fascinating you 414 00:18:12,370 --> 00:18:10,760 know and I don't know what they were but 415 00:18:13,900 --> 00:18:12,380 I can tell you that I know what they 416 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:13,910 weren't yeah 417 00:18:19,510 --> 00:18:17,570 yeah and uh and I I'm I'm glad you say 418 00:18:22,180 --> 00:18:19,520 it that way you know and and you and 419 00:18:24,430 --> 00:18:22,190 I've talked briefly and I like your your 420 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:24,440 skeptical attitude I think it's very 421 00:18:29,670 --> 00:18:27,050 important and you basically told me you 422 00:18:31,930 --> 00:18:29,680 have no use for people that are pseudo 423 00:18:33,940 --> 00:18:31,940 skeptics as well you know the people 424 00:18:35,890 --> 00:18:33,950 that just plain shake their finger and 425 00:18:38,500 --> 00:18:35,900 it said no way this can happen you know 426 00:18:42,670 --> 00:18:38,510 and and by you know claiming this or 427 00:18:45,580 --> 00:18:42,680 that so we will talk about what the 428 00:18:47,710 --> 00:18:45,590 skeptics have said and address that a 429 00:18:50,620 --> 00:18:47,720 little bit later on but there are a new 430 00:18:52,810 --> 00:18:50,630 a lot of new listeners and I'd like for 431 00:18:56,590 --> 00:18:52,820 you to kind of lay down the scene of 432 00:18:58,330 --> 00:18:56,600 what happened you know just a in a 433 00:19:00,400 --> 00:18:58,340 nutshell more or less for the like I 434 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:00,410 said for the new listener and what 435 00:19:06,460 --> 00:19:03,170 happened and that will go into what you 436 00:19:09,850 --> 00:19:06,470 were your involvement in it it was a 437 00:19:12,670 --> 00:19:09,860 2004 occurred off the coast of San Diego 438 00:19:14,140 --> 00:19:12,680 we're then that Stratford was out out to 439 00:19:18,220 --> 00:19:14,150 sea we were doing a tailored ship 440 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:18,230 training availability and unfortunately 441 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:19,730 not all the ships could be out there we 442 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:21,410 we you know the war was still going on 443 00:19:25,150 --> 00:19:23,690 so we had received orders to accelerate 444 00:19:27,250 --> 00:19:25,160 and go overseas so we were trying to get 445 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:27,260 a lot of training done really quickly at 446 00:19:32,500 --> 00:19:28,970 anyway we were out to sea with the 447 00:19:36,490 --> 00:19:32,510 Nimitz we were going to do an ax and on 448 00:19:39,670 --> 00:19:36,500 board the Nimitz we had tagged 11 on VAW 449 00:19:42,670 --> 00:19:39,680 117 and CAG 11 with was a commander of 450 00:19:45,100 --> 00:19:42,680 all the fighter squadrons and I'd been 451 00:19:47,890 --> 00:19:45,110 seeing these anomalous contacts on my 452 00:19:49,810 --> 00:19:47,900 scope for a few days we were going to do 453 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:49,820 the 8x on the 14th and around about the 454 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:52,610 10th the team in CIC and Princeton 455 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:54,290 started notice noticing these contacts 456 00:19:58,750 --> 00:19:56,810 and we're again we were up the coast San 457 00:20:00,550 --> 00:19:58,760 Diego kind of Southwest about a hundred 458 00:20:03,580 --> 00:20:00,560 miles or so I forget exactly how far it 459 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:03,590 was that day and we were contacted we 460 00:20:07,420 --> 00:20:05,450 were these objects whatever they were 461 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:07,430 were coming into our radar envelope 462 00:20:11,470 --> 00:20:08,930 right in the Channel Islands right there 463 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:11,480 by Catalina and they were apparent on 464 00:20:16,930 --> 00:20:13,370 the scope anywhere from like between 465 00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:16,940 five and ten at at a time and I thing 466 00:20:23,170 --> 00:20:19,280 about is they were at 28,000 feet going 467 00:20:25,630 --> 00:20:23,180 100 knots track itself which was which 468 00:20:27,220 --> 00:20:25,640 was really weird yeah I would just fall 469 00:20:29,049 --> 00:20:27,230 out of the sky at that normally 470 00:20:31,810 --> 00:20:29,059 right I mean there's no way I could 471 00:20:33,039 --> 00:20:31,820 maintain this plummet weight plummet 472 00:20:36,039 --> 00:20:33,049 straight out of this guy especially when 473 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:36,049 the UH you know the prevailing winds are 474 00:20:39,039 --> 00:20:37,370 going from west to east so they're 475 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:39,049 they're going counter to the prevailing 476 00:20:44,770 --> 00:20:43,130 winds um we didn't really no one really 477 00:20:47,650 --> 00:20:44,780 felt they were right because they they 478 00:20:49,299 --> 00:20:47,660 were just there and you know the strike 479 00:20:52,570 --> 00:20:49,309 group was quite a quite a few miles away 480 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:52,580 from them they we we just didn't get the 481 00:20:56,260 --> 00:20:54,410 impression there were any type of threat 482 00:20:59,080 --> 00:20:56,270 although we were using all of our 483 00:21:02,860 --> 00:20:59,090 electronic systems on board the ships we 484 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:02,870 really had no idea for him so the day a 485 00:21:08,620 --> 00:21:05,330 day that comes up and up to this point 486 00:21:10,690 --> 00:21:08,630 I'd probably seen a little 80 and 90 of 487 00:21:12,580 --> 00:21:10,700 these things up to that moment and 488 00:21:14,110 --> 00:21:12,590 Captain Smith comes down to combat 489 00:21:15,549 --> 00:21:14,120 misses sir you know even we've been 490 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:15,559 tracking these things for well and I'm 491 00:21:21,490 --> 00:21:17,330 not really concerned they're hostile or 492 00:21:22,690 --> 00:21:21,500 or eleven in any way that I am concerned 493 00:21:24,250 --> 00:21:22,700 about safety of flight because we're 494 00:21:26,980 --> 00:21:24,260 getting ready to launch a bunch aircraft 495 00:21:28,299 --> 00:21:26,990 right in this altitude space and if we 496 00:21:29,950 --> 00:21:28,309 run into one of these things someone's 497 00:21:31,090 --> 00:21:29,960 going to ask you to you know later why 498 00:21:32,830 --> 00:21:31,100 didn't we do something about it 499 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:32,840 she said you know what so you're chief 500 00:21:36,669 --> 00:21:35,330 is right go ahead take the flight this 501 00:21:39,460 --> 00:21:36,679 airborne right now they were up doing a 502 00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:39,470 functional flight check and go see what 503 00:21:43,060 --> 00:21:41,600 it is go intercept it and in the back of 504 00:21:45,100 --> 00:21:43,070 my mind I'm saying yeah I'm gonna 505 00:21:48,909 --> 00:21:45,110 intercept but get the intercept an 506 00:21:50,409 --> 00:21:48,919 anomalous object which was kind of my 507 00:21:52,419 --> 00:21:50,419 goal cuz in the back of my mind I'm 508 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:52,429 thinking okay this is this is so strange 509 00:21:57,070 --> 00:21:54,530 that this is definitely something that 510 00:21:58,840 --> 00:21:57,080 I've never seen before so anyway we take 511 00:22:00,190 --> 00:21:58,850 control of the fast ago flight which 512 00:22:03,159 --> 00:22:00,200 just happens to add and commander 513 00:22:05,620 --> 00:22:03,169 favours flight and we start back to him 514 00:22:08,110 --> 00:22:05,630 in that direction and we just took the 515 00:22:10,030 --> 00:22:08,120 closest object and he we vectored him up 516 00:22:12,970 --> 00:22:10,040 towards there and as soon as he gets to 517 00:22:15,490 --> 00:22:12,980 the merged plot position he starts 518 00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:15,500 screaming on the radio we we had the the 519 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:17,840 comms overhead in the overhead and cin 520 00:22:21,730 --> 00:22:19,610 combin information senator CSC on the 521 00:22:23,850 --> 00:22:21,740 ship and you start screaming oh my god 522 00:22:26,580 --> 00:22:23,860 oh my god I'm engaged I'm engaged in 523 00:22:29,620 --> 00:22:26,590 from that moment all hell broke loose 524 00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:29,630 this object on this he had intercepted 525 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:32,960 dropped from 28,000 feet down to the 526 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:34,970 surface of the ocean and what I found 527 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:36,530 out the next day was point seven eight 528 00:22:44,009 --> 00:22:40,450 seconds Wow dude when that spin on that 529 00:22:45,989 --> 00:22:44,019 a prawn you know what that was that was 530 00:22:47,489 --> 00:22:45,999 covered at SCU and I hesitate to even 531 00:22:49,769 --> 00:22:47,499 say anything that's I've heard all kinds 532 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:49,779 of numbers and I just don't yeah and I 533 00:22:53,940 --> 00:22:52,450 want to put out any erroneous numbers 534 00:22:56,609 --> 00:22:53,950 out there yeah no problem but it's 535 00:22:58,259 --> 00:22:56,619 extremely fast yeah in you know we and 536 00:23:00,269 --> 00:22:58,269 we should have heard multiple sonic 537 00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:00,279 booms right there was no sonic booms at 538 00:23:04,379 --> 00:23:02,320 all Olson was a twenty eight thousand 539 00:23:06,450 --> 00:23:04,389 feet less than a second later it was 540 00:23:08,340 --> 00:23:06,460 down at the surface of the water you 541 00:23:10,590 --> 00:23:08,350 know I gotta tell you let's just 542 00:23:14,879 --> 00:23:10,600 interject a little bit I have never once 543 00:23:18,060 --> 00:23:14,889 heard of anyone one time talking about a 544 00:23:19,799 --> 00:23:18,070 sonic boom in a UFO and they have been 545 00:23:22,739 --> 00:23:19,809 there's many many cases where they've 546 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:22,749 been tracked at very high speeds you 547 00:23:26,639 --> 00:23:24,730 know it up into the twenty thousand 548 00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:26,649 miles an hour you know type of thing but 549 00:23:32,489 --> 00:23:28,480 no one has ever once mentioned a sonic 550 00:23:34,529 --> 00:23:32,499 boom which is really bizarre isn't it it 551 00:23:35,999 --> 00:23:34,539 is very bizarre and it's one of the 552 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:36,009 reasons why I believe they were 553 00:23:41,099 --> 00:23:37,570 non-newtonian there's other other 554 00:23:42,659 --> 00:23:41,109 reasons as well so he leaves his he 555 00:23:44,580 --> 00:23:42,669 leaves his wingman the second aircraft 556 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:44,590 that's with him up kind of higher 557 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:46,570 altitude he goes he wants to go down and 558 00:23:50,430 --> 00:23:48,369 take a look so he goes down and Trax was 559 00:23:52,169 --> 00:23:50,440 saying down to the surface and sees a 560 00:23:54,330 --> 00:23:52,179 disturbance in the water that you know 561 00:23:55,859 --> 00:23:54,340 everyone's been talking about and right 562 00:23:58,739 --> 00:23:55,869 above this disturbance II he sees a 563 00:24:01,349 --> 00:23:58,749 little tiny object and he described it 564 00:24:04,039 --> 00:24:01,359 when we came back into port week later 565 00:24:06,269 --> 00:24:04,049 or so it looked like a tiny tic-tac 566 00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:06,279 about forty seven feet long about the 567 00:24:11,729 --> 00:24:07,809 length of the Super Hornet 568 00:24:14,430 --> 00:24:11,739 that's an 18 super hundred and this 569 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:14,440 thing came popping pop right back out of 570 00:24:17,369 --> 00:24:16,090 the ocean and what I don't think was 571 00:24:21,210 --> 00:24:17,379 actually in the oceans right above the 572 00:24:23,159 --> 00:24:21,220 surface back up to 28,000 feet started 573 00:24:25,259 --> 00:24:23,169 going 100 knots again track itself as if 574 00:24:25,769 --> 00:24:25,269 nothing at all interesting it just 575 00:24:29,310 --> 00:24:25,779 happened 576 00:24:31,169 --> 00:24:29,320 interesting right and then and then you 577 00:24:32,700 --> 00:24:31,179 know in the the thing is all these we 578 00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:32,710 got all these other aircraft launching 579 00:24:35,729 --> 00:24:34,480 out the decadent of the Nimitz and 580 00:24:37,139 --> 00:24:35,739 they're all up doing their functional 581 00:24:38,820 --> 00:24:37,149 flight check so everybody's listening to 582 00:24:41,159 --> 00:24:38,830 the radios everybody's up in the data 583 00:24:42,869 --> 00:24:41,169 links and every everybody that 584 00:24:44,909 --> 00:24:42,879 situational awareness know about what's 585 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:44,919 going on out here so I got a bunch of 586 00:24:49,249 --> 00:24:46,570 aircraft taking off now and they're all 587 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:49,259 doing their own intercepts autonomously 588 00:24:54,330 --> 00:24:52,690 with no air controller you know next 589 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:54,340 thing I know I got all these um 590 00:24:58,649 --> 00:24:57,129 you a tu I called him UFOs and I didn't 591 00:25:00,719 --> 00:24:58,659 even know where the UI p was at the time 592 00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:00,729 but these things are all falling out of 593 00:25:04,019 --> 00:25:02,559 this guy from 28,000 feet down to the 594 00:25:05,399 --> 00:25:04,029 surface of the ocean in less than a 595 00:25:08,700 --> 00:25:05,409 second it was raining it was actually 596 00:25:11,459 --> 00:25:08,710 raining UFOs for a brief moment on the 597 00:25:13,379 --> 00:25:11,469 radar amazing totally totally 598 00:25:17,279 --> 00:25:13,389 unbelievable I mean he should have seen 599 00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:17,289 the the in felt the shocked silence it 600 00:25:22,469 --> 00:25:20,529 was in combat because you know a team 601 00:25:24,749 --> 00:25:22,479 like Earth the government spends 602 00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:24,759 millions of dollars training us to train 603 00:25:30,060 --> 00:25:26,799 you know training us to ID everything 604 00:25:32,609 --> 00:25:30,070 that flies right and none of us had any 605 00:25:35,009 --> 00:25:32,619 idea what these objects were we to this 606 00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:35,019 day we still don't know yeah amazing 607 00:25:40,379 --> 00:25:37,809 well we are right at the break so we're 608 00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:40,389 gonna head into a break here and so hang 609 00:25:45,379 --> 00:25:42,159 every hang in there everyone we'll be 610 00:25:50,609 --> 00:25:45,389 right back right after these messages 611 00:25:54,239 --> 00:25:50,619 when you all set I'm all set I'm here we 612 00:25:55,709 --> 00:25:54,249 go Martin in five back to the show I'm 613 00:25:59,339 --> 00:25:55,719 Martin Willis your host and we have 614 00:26:03,739 --> 00:25:59,349 Kevin day he is talking about the USS 615 00:26:06,719 --> 00:26:03,749 Nimitz case which happened back in 2004 616 00:26:09,599 --> 00:26:06,729 great guests great topic as far as I'm 617 00:26:12,209 --> 00:26:09,609 concerned and Kevin thanks so much so 618 00:26:14,999 --> 00:26:12,219 can you continue talking about um you 619 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:15,009 were talking about David flavor and and 620 00:26:20,579 --> 00:26:16,690 his intercept or 621 00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:20,589 what was it you actually mentioned he 622 00:26:25,229 --> 00:26:22,809 was a his name of this flight was fast 623 00:26:28,379 --> 00:26:25,239 Eagle flight it was a Super Hornet FMA 624 00:26:29,609 --> 00:26:28,389 18 mm yeah I believe was a brand new 625 00:26:32,489 --> 00:26:29,619 airplane that he was flying that day 626 00:26:34,339 --> 00:26:32,499 what I heard that you know at any rate 627 00:26:36,450 --> 00:26:34,349 just to kind of pick up the story he 628 00:26:38,099 --> 00:26:36,460 consummated the intercept and the thing 629 00:26:40,649 --> 00:26:38,109 avoided and went back up into the sky so 630 00:26:42,329 --> 00:26:40,659 he goes back up in the sky and then the 631 00:26:45,239 --> 00:26:42,339 next thing that we know this object that 632 00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:45,249 he had tried to intercept all of a 633 00:26:50,519 --> 00:26:47,440 sudden it went from point A to point B 634 00:26:52,889 --> 00:26:50,529 in about 40 miles in the again in less 635 00:26:54,539 --> 00:26:52,899 than a second it what it did is um we 636 00:26:58,159 --> 00:26:54,549 have what's known as combat air patrol 637 00:27:00,539 --> 00:26:58,169 stations or basically just arbitrary 638 00:27:02,579 --> 00:27:00,549 altitudes and positions in the sky 639 00:27:04,169 --> 00:27:02,589 around the strike group where the the 640 00:27:05,999 --> 00:27:04,179 fighters kind of hang out it's their 641 00:27:07,980 --> 00:27:06,009 hangout spot until they get orders or 642 00:27:09,900 --> 00:27:07,990 vectors to do something 643 00:27:11,970 --> 00:27:09,910 that's a socialized point that everyone 644 00:27:15,270 --> 00:27:11,980 in the strike group knows about and we 645 00:27:17,550 --> 00:27:15,280 give them names the this object for 646 00:27:19,740 --> 00:27:17,560 whatever reason went to that point in 647 00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:19,750 the sky and just sat there it went to 648 00:27:24,690 --> 00:27:23,440 his cap station that's it went to the 649 00:27:26,850 --> 00:27:24,700 spot where he was going to it went to 650 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:26,860 the spot where he was intending to go it 651 00:27:31,530 --> 00:27:29,170 was kind of prescient I guess huh can 652 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:31,540 you think I will never forget that there 653 00:27:35,730 --> 00:27:33,610 the air controllers like I was the air 654 00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:35,740 control supervisor had that the junior 655 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:37,120 guide there was actually talking to him 656 00:27:40,140 --> 00:27:38,290 and I was listening I was helping with 657 00:27:41,670 --> 00:27:40,150 the external comms and I was trying to 658 00:27:43,890 --> 00:27:41,680 help him assess the radar and all that 659 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:43,900 stuff and I'll never forget he was like 660 00:27:48,530 --> 00:27:45,490 sir you're not gonna believe this but 661 00:27:51,060 --> 00:27:48,540 the bogey is back at your cap station 662 00:27:53,610 --> 00:27:51,070 can you explain this examine on the 663 00:27:55,260 --> 00:27:53,620 radio after that can you explain the 664 00:27:58,740 --> 00:27:55,270 significance of this I mean how would 665 00:28:00,270 --> 00:27:58,750 the thing even know how would any 666 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:00,280 intelligence even know where that 667 00:28:07,740 --> 00:28:05,010 location is well I mean presumably 668 00:28:09,810 --> 00:28:07,750 anyone in see the you know in receipt of 669 00:28:12,110 --> 00:28:09,820 our message traffic would know where 670 00:28:17,220 --> 00:28:12,120 this where this place was in the sky 671 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:17,230 secret message traffic but this object 672 00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:19,090 wasn't a part of our strategy this 673 00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:21,310 object is farther now wasn't a part of 674 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:23,200 the exercise and that's a that's a 675 00:28:27,150 --> 00:28:25,450 really darn good question how in fact 676 00:28:29,940 --> 00:28:27,160 did the object know where that point 677 00:28:32,190 --> 00:28:29,950 this guy was that is really something 678 00:28:34,050 --> 00:28:32,200 isn't it well and I don't have an answer 679 00:28:37,740 --> 00:28:34,060 that's part of it part of the puzzle 680 00:28:39,450 --> 00:28:37,750 here and I'm I've always had the frame 681 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:39,460 of mind and I'm gonna really refrain 682 00:28:43,380 --> 00:28:41,170 from speculating about what those things 683 00:28:45,900 --> 00:28:43,390 were because I really don't think that's 684 00:28:48,390 --> 00:28:45,910 my rule there's lots more qualified 685 00:28:50,730 --> 00:28:48,400 people that need to do that I'm just 686 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:50,740 here to tell folks that this thing 687 00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:53,290 really did happen these objects really 688 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:56,320 were they were really real and there 689 00:28:59,910 --> 00:28:57,970 just wasn't one there was over 100 of 690 00:29:03,120 --> 00:28:59,920 them right you know right around 100 of 691 00:29:04,890 --> 00:29:03,130 them and I tracked him for a little over 692 00:29:06,810 --> 00:29:04,900 a week on the radar not only me but 693 00:29:09,780 --> 00:29:06,820 other other ships two other aircraft 694 00:29:10,610 --> 00:29:09,790 now did you lots of lots of lots of 695 00:29:13,380 --> 00:29:10,620 witnesses 696 00:29:15,060 --> 00:29:13,390 so did were you in constant contact with 697 00:29:16,890 --> 00:29:15,070 the other ships to see if they were 698 00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:16,900 actually seeing this as well at the same 699 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:21,600 time I remember now this 700 00:29:25,700 --> 00:29:24,090 is actually kind of kind of odd you know 701 00:29:29,210 --> 00:29:25,710 it's been 14 years ago and people's 702 00:29:32,060 --> 00:29:29,220 memories do odd things yeah I could give 703 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:32,070 you the plenty of examples of that now I 704 00:29:36,529 --> 00:29:35,130 wrote I wrote a I retired in 2008 and 705 00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:36,539 this story kind of bugged me this was 706 00:29:41,900 --> 00:29:39,120 four years later I retired and so I 707 00:29:45,049 --> 00:29:41,910 wrote a I wrote a short story called the 708 00:29:46,370 --> 00:29:45,059 seer and I wrote it with a couple of 709 00:29:48,049 --> 00:29:46,380 short stories and I put it in a book 710 00:29:50,990 --> 00:29:48,059 that I hand published and I published it 711 00:29:52,490 --> 00:29:51,000 in the Library of Congress and I was 712 00:29:53,810 --> 00:29:52,500 thinking at the time well no one's gonna 713 00:29:56,060 --> 00:29:53,820 believe me so I'm just gonna write this 714 00:29:57,890 --> 00:29:56,070 story I'll put it in plain sight in case 715 00:30:00,500 --> 00:29:57,900 this story ever does come to light it 716 00:30:05,870 --> 00:30:00,510 can kind of be some evidence well 717 00:30:10,090 --> 00:30:05,880 strangely enough that's happened now the 718 00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:10,100 serendipity with this thing and the the 719 00:30:13,149 --> 00:30:12,240 there's just there's a lot of tentacles 720 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:13,159 to this story 721 00:30:18,159 --> 00:30:15,330 now I'm sorry what was your question I 722 00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:18,169 kind of lost my train of thought there 723 00:30:23,210 --> 00:30:22,049 me too I am taking from all types of 724 00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:23,220 things on this side here trying to 725 00:30:28,130 --> 00:30:26,640 arrange on the next question I know and 726 00:30:30,169 --> 00:30:28,140 I was trying to I was trying to complete 727 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:30,179 my my story that the intercept that 728 00:30:34,100 --> 00:30:32,250 happened and I guess that pretty much 729 00:30:38,270 --> 00:30:34,110 summarizes it you had some questions 730 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:38,280 about it so you know that day there was 731 00:30:43,610 --> 00:30:40,730 probably I'm guessing there was probably 732 00:30:46,250 --> 00:30:43,620 interestingly enough the at FLIR video 733 00:30:47,779 --> 00:30:46,260 that's out there that was released when 734 00:30:49,789 --> 00:30:47,789 the New York Times story broke right 735 00:30:51,529 --> 00:30:49,799 they released a couple of videos with it 736 00:30:53,810 --> 00:30:51,539 that that video that was actually taking 737 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:53,820 called that FLIR that was actually not 738 00:30:58,340 --> 00:30:55,530 commander flavors flight that was one of 739 00:31:00,919 --> 00:30:58,350 the other aircraft that went up and did 740 00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:00,929 another intercept yeah but the the one 741 00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,049 I'm putting up on the screen now is the 742 00:31:09,289 --> 00:31:06,240 one that separate the tic-tac one that's 743 00:31:12,130 --> 00:31:09,299 up on the YouTube screen right now for 744 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:12,140 people over there watching that 745 00:31:17,980 --> 00:31:14,450 so I made sure that I got the right one 746 00:31:22,270 --> 00:31:17,990 up and it's fuzzy at first and then it 747 00:31:24,940 --> 00:31:22,280 shows very clear tic-tac shape which is 748 00:31:27,310 --> 00:31:24,950 is fascinating in what I had asked you I 749 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:27,320 believe what I asked you was if you were 750 00:31:31,750 --> 00:31:29,450 in contact with other ships at the same 751 00:31:33,250 --> 00:31:31,760 time about you know what they were 752 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:33,260 seeing on radar I think that was the 753 00:31:37,810 --> 00:31:34,570 question I asked you 754 00:31:39,940 --> 00:31:37,820 yeah good point um anyway in my story I 755 00:31:41,980 --> 00:31:39,950 had written at the time that the name of 756 00:31:43,900 --> 00:31:41,990 the exercise in you know I purposely 757 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:43,910 diction wise my story because there was 758 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:46,370 only four years later and I was thinking 759 00:31:49,210 --> 00:31:47,930 you know I better protect the people 760 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:49,220 still in uniform maybe they don't want 761 00:31:52,930 --> 00:31:50,570 to talk about this and maybe they can't 762 00:31:55,860 --> 00:31:52,940 talk about it so I kind of fictionalized 763 00:31:58,090 --> 00:31:55,870 the actual story a little bit so and I 764 00:32:00,550 --> 00:31:58,100 changed some of the names and some of 765 00:32:01,870 --> 00:32:00,560 the dates and stuff and one of the 766 00:32:03,460 --> 00:32:01,880 things that I think I had done at the 767 00:32:06,100 --> 00:32:03,470 time and now my memory is not real clear 768 00:32:07,870 --> 00:32:06,110 on this is I thought our entire strike 769 00:32:09,790 --> 00:32:07,880 group was out to sea that day with us 770 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:09,800 and it turns out they actually weren't 771 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:13,130 the Chafee and Higgins JP was under way 772 00:32:18,790 --> 00:32:15,650 just coming out of Hawaii and Hagan was 773 00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:18,800 actually in port now the reason why I 774 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:20,720 believe they may have been there with us 775 00:32:25,060 --> 00:32:22,250 because there's a system called battle 776 00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:25,070 force tactical trainer v-sit and it was 777 00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:26,720 possible they could have been up in be 778 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:30,080 fit basically participating 779 00:32:34,570 --> 00:32:32,210 getting ready to participate in a test 780 00:32:35,620 --> 00:32:34,580 remotely which they could have done they 781 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:35,630 could have received 782 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:38,570 synthetic training videos and they would 783 00:32:42,610 --> 00:32:41,090 have had all the comms and their weapons 784 00:32:47,410 --> 00:32:42,620 systems could have been stimulated as 785 00:32:48,820 --> 00:32:47,420 well so that is perhaps why I had the 786 00:32:51,100 --> 00:32:48,830 memory the other ships being out there 787 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:51,110 but yes I did I emailed my friend over 788 00:32:55,510 --> 00:32:53,570 on the Nimitz that email back saying 789 00:32:58,380 --> 00:32:55,520 yeah we see we see the objects don't 790 00:33:03,580 --> 00:33:01,810 they were up in the assistant called CEC 791 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:03,590 which is a cooperative engagement 792 00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:06,530 capability which basically uses all the 793 00:33:12,990 --> 00:33:08,720 radar inputs into one presentation and 794 00:33:19,930 --> 00:33:16,270 we're an extensive Diagnostics on the on 795 00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:19,940 the spy-1 radar system in the combat 796 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:22,640 weapon system on board Princeton just to 797 00:33:25,660 --> 00:33:24,170 make sure that hey this is this thing it 798 00:33:28,180 --> 00:33:25,670 is this some sort of 799 00:33:30,580 --> 00:33:28,190 function what are we seeing her and we 800 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:30,590 were unable to tech any any type of 801 00:33:34,660 --> 00:33:33,290 mental function we all of us came away 802 00:33:36,850 --> 00:33:34,670 believe in the whatever they were they 803 00:33:40,990 --> 00:33:36,860 were real obvious we're actually there 804 00:33:44,170 --> 00:33:41,000 and they were real well now when when 805 00:33:46,750 --> 00:33:44,180 the what's the the plane that flies 806 00:33:50,110 --> 00:33:46,760 above there with the big radar dish on a 807 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:50,120 24 foot dish the Skyhawk that that's the 808 00:33:55,630 --> 00:33:52,490 eat that that's the e-2 Hawkeye Hawkeye 809 00:33:58,210 --> 00:33:55,640 right and yeah yeah so I wanted to 810 00:34:00,970 --> 00:33:58,220 mention also David Beaty was going to be 811 00:34:03,310 --> 00:34:00,980 on the show tonight and he sent me a 812 00:34:04,860 --> 00:34:03,320 clip that's going to be this is kind of 813 00:34:06,850 --> 00:34:04,870 an announcement a new announcement 814 00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:06,860 there's gonna be a clip that's going to 815 00:34:13,450 --> 00:34:11,510 be put up on on YouTube to accompany the 816 00:34:16,659 --> 00:34:13,460 clip that's up there now that has over a 817 00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:16,669 million views and it's as documentary on 818 00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:19,520 this case people have come forward 819 00:34:23,860 --> 00:34:21,679 including you know Jason Turner who 820 00:34:27,370 --> 00:34:23,870 didn't make the show tonight and 821 00:34:31,090 --> 00:34:27,380 yourself and as well as two other people 822 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:31,100 one is remaining anonymous but one of 823 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:34,010 them was up in that plane and actually 824 00:34:40,210 --> 00:34:36,890 is saying that they actually did see the 825 00:34:41,409 --> 00:34:40,220 objects visually see the objects so stay 826 00:34:45,070 --> 00:34:41,419 tuned for that that will be up on 827 00:34:47,290 --> 00:34:45,080 YouTube in a couple of weeks so yeah 828 00:34:49,090 --> 00:34:47,300 they they BT by the way was instrumental 829 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:49,100 and getting other witnesses to come 830 00:34:54,010 --> 00:34:51,050 forward in his the short video that he 831 00:34:55,419 --> 00:34:54,020 did on YouTube is called for those who 832 00:34:58,420 --> 00:34:55,429 are listening that haven't seen it it's 833 00:34:59,980 --> 00:34:58,430 called the nimitz encounters and if you 834 00:35:01,810 --> 00:34:59,990 if you run a youtube and you do the 835 00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:01,820 searched at least two of them will pop 836 00:35:05,410 --> 00:35:03,200 up with that name but it's the one with 837 00:35:08,140 --> 00:35:05,420 the like you said a 1.4 million views or 838 00:35:10,750 --> 00:35:08,150 whatever it is now right yeah it's about 839 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:10,760 16 17 minutes long and I think his plan 840 00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:12,650 is as more and more witnesses come 841 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:14,960 forward just to continually update the 842 00:35:18,010 --> 00:35:17,090 video and include their testimony in it 843 00:35:20,140 --> 00:35:18,020 yeah 844 00:35:21,370 --> 00:35:20,150 now how and I believe that's going to 845 00:35:24,430 --> 00:35:21,380 happen I believe more and more people 846 00:35:26,590 --> 00:35:24,440 are going to come out I do too but let 847 00:35:29,860 --> 00:35:26,600 me ask you this did you have any 848 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:29,870 trepidation about coming out with this I 849 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:32,290 know some people had to sign NDA's 850 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:36,170 non-disclosures but did you have were 851 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:38,930 you told you know to keep quiet about 852 00:35:43,810 --> 00:35:40,690 this 853 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:43,820 never I was never told to keep quiet 854 00:35:49,150 --> 00:35:47,210 about it in fact that um the video that 855 00:35:51,100 --> 00:35:49,160 came out that I called the at Slayer 856 00:35:53,500 --> 00:35:51,110 video there's several of them that is 857 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:53,510 basically the one with probably the I 858 00:35:57,730 --> 00:35:55,130 guess the most famous former they were 859 00:36:00,340 --> 00:35:57,740 the object screeches off to the the left 860 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:00,350 part of the screen in just a nanosecond 861 00:36:04,930 --> 00:36:03,170 it's just the gimbal that goes visited 862 00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:04,940 that video actually the rather my email 863 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:06,560 like the very morning after this 864 00:36:13,330 --> 00:36:10,490 encounter happened so I I had seen that 865 00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:13,340 video that day that this this new story 866 00:36:17,350 --> 00:36:15,440 broke on CNN of course they showed that 867 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:17,360 video and I you know I had seen that 868 00:36:25,060 --> 00:36:22,450 same video fourteen years ago well and 869 00:36:27,370 --> 00:36:25,070 as soon as I saw this thing happening I 870 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:27,380 knew instantly in my own mind that I had 871 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:29,330 to speak out I had I had to stand up and 872 00:36:33,790 --> 00:36:32,090 say yes commander for Avery isn't crazy 873 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:33,800 this really happened I was his air 874 00:36:39,580 --> 00:36:36,530 controller it was my team in Princeton 875 00:36:41,740 --> 00:36:39,590 that discovered the new ApS and I'm 876 00:36:43,780 --> 00:36:41,750 gonna back him up now my only 877 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:43,790 trepidation about coming forward was 878 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:46,850 just what was going to happen to you 879 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:47,930 know what was gonna happen to me 880 00:36:53,410 --> 00:36:51,890 personally with my life cuz i all of a 881 00:36:55,570 --> 00:36:53,420 sudden i was going to become a public 882 00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:55,580 person all of a sudden no and the the 883 00:36:59,440 --> 00:36:57,680 reason why i decided to do it i got some 884 00:37:01,990 --> 00:36:59,450 good counseling from my cousin jack cook 885 00:37:03,610 --> 00:37:02,000 he was like you know kevin this really 886 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:03,620 happened and i think that you need to 887 00:37:09,850 --> 00:37:06,410 say something and let the chips fall 888 00:37:12,070 --> 00:37:09,860 where they may end man up that's what 889 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:12,080 that's what i decided to do yeah well 890 00:37:16,060 --> 00:37:13,970 you know if something really happened i 891 00:37:17,890 --> 00:37:16,070 hope I pray to God I make I made the 892 00:37:19,390 --> 00:37:17,900 right decision every day well I think 893 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:19,400 you did because you know if something 894 00:37:23,230 --> 00:37:21,650 really happened then really what do you 895 00:37:26,050 --> 00:37:23,240 have to lose if you just plain telling 896 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:26,060 the truth you know I mean you can't be 897 00:37:33,340 --> 00:37:31,130 judged or the truth really I don't know 898 00:37:34,750 --> 00:37:33,350 well you know some people will judge 899 00:37:37,570 --> 00:37:34,760 anyway but you know as I was talking 900 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:37,580 about earlier the pseudo skeptics you 901 00:37:41,650 --> 00:37:39,170 know the people that just say no this is 902 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:41,660 hogwash and I know let's talk a little 903 00:37:47,410 --> 00:37:44,810 bit about that for instance I know that 904 00:37:50,290 --> 00:37:47,420 they there's a lot of people that bring 905 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:50,300 up the I think it was the gimbal what 906 00:37:53,950 --> 00:37:51,770 they call the gimbal UFO 907 00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:53,960 film the one that came out 908 00:38:01,750 --> 00:37:57,530 you know when the the Pentagon story 909 00:38:04,590 --> 00:38:01,760 came out in December back in 2017 that 910 00:38:08,860 --> 00:38:04,600 famous film with millions of V whose 911 00:38:12,460 --> 00:38:08,870 that was that started out on a German a 912 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:12,470 website that did did you know anything 913 00:38:17,290 --> 00:38:14,210 about this hear anything about that the 914 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:17,300 first time I went up on you Titan I knew 915 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:20,450 nothing at all about the 20 2015 gimble 916 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:21,890 incident that happened out on the East 917 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:24,530 Coast right now for that group right 918 00:38:30,670 --> 00:38:29,090 yeah yeah completely different story but 919 00:38:33,310 --> 00:38:30,680 people are tying together tying yeah 920 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:33,320 yeah they weren't talking to the morals 921 00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:35,210 you know pardon me we're talking over 922 00:38:39,940 --> 00:38:37,760 each other they people are tying that to 923 00:38:44,740 --> 00:38:39,950 the Nimitz case I'm sure you're aware of 924 00:38:46,750 --> 00:38:44,750 that absolutely yes yeah and I did run 925 00:38:49,870 --> 00:38:46,760 the film on YouTube here just a minute 926 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:49,880 ago of the actual footage but there were 927 00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:52,850 people like Jason who was going to be on 928 00:38:57,970 --> 00:38:54,160 the show tonight that actually saw the 929 00:38:59,320 --> 00:38:57,980 very high definition film that is not 930 00:39:00,640 --> 00:38:59,330 available 931 00:39:05,650 --> 00:39:00,650 do you know other people that actually 932 00:39:08,110 --> 00:39:05,660 saw that film as well only through the 933 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:08,120 grapevine only through rumors um the 934 00:39:14,500 --> 00:39:11,330 actual video that I saw the next day I 935 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:14,510 think it was probably an mp3 or no I'm 936 00:39:20,140 --> 00:39:16,970 excuse me an MPEG so it wasn't it wasn't 937 00:39:22,180 --> 00:39:20,150 real it wasn't real um it looked pretty 938 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:22,190 pretty similar to what I saw that day on 939 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:24,130 CNN when the news when the news broke 940 00:39:29,530 --> 00:39:26,450 yeah unfortunately I never got to see 941 00:39:30,970 --> 00:39:29,540 that the other video apparently there 942 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:30,980 was a much longer one much higher 943 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:33,650 definition yeah that wherever that is 944 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:36,410 now I have no idea yeah but it exists 945 00:39:40,510 --> 00:39:38,690 that's the thing there's probably I 946 00:39:42,670 --> 00:39:40,520 believe it it exists there's probably a 947 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:42,680 lot of great film out there that exists 948 00:39:48,340 --> 00:39:46,010 so that while this is going on you're 949 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:48,350 you're observing all this are you just 950 00:39:51,940 --> 00:39:50,210 like everyone around you and yourself 951 00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:51,950 just shaking your head what the heck is 952 00:39:57,460 --> 00:39:54,560 going on here I mean did it feel like it 953 00:40:02,200 --> 00:39:57,470 was an invasion of some type or what was 954 00:40:04,990 --> 00:40:02,210 that like mm I'd have to say not at all 955 00:40:07,220 --> 00:40:05,000 I never once had the feeling or the 956 00:40:09,890 --> 00:40:07,230 impression in that these 957 00:40:13,250 --> 00:40:09,900 were hostile or in in any way interested 958 00:40:14,750 --> 00:40:13,260 in this I don't actually and the reason 959 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:14,760 why I say that is because we intercepted 960 00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:17,010 and when we were done they went straight 961 00:40:21,830 --> 00:40:18,960 back up into the sky and going south as 962 00:40:24,020 --> 00:40:21,840 if nothing that happened yes I tracked 963 00:40:25,700 --> 00:40:24,030 in I continued to track him they fell 964 00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:25,710 off my radar coverage off the coast of 965 00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:28,800 Baja California above a little island 966 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:30,180 down there I think it's called Isla de 967 00:40:35,330 --> 00:40:33,210 military or something like that you can 968 00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:35,340 you can find it easily on the map now 969 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:36,720 I'm not sure I don't know if they landed 970 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:39,330 there or they just um they went out of 971 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:41,130 my radar horizon at that point but they 972 00:40:46,190 --> 00:40:43,170 they continued south of 28,000 feet 973 00:40:46,730 --> 00:40:46,200 going 100 knots as if nothing at all had 974 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:46,740 happened 975 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:49,890 Wow now is it classified the height that 976 00:40:55,730 --> 00:40:54,330 the radar will reach - yes there's 977 00:40:57,290 --> 00:40:55,740 different modes of the radar I was 978 00:41:00,740 --> 00:40:57,300 operating in a mode where I couldn't see 979 00:41:02,780 --> 00:41:00,750 as high as it can go mm-hmm but I I have 980 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:02,790 heard there's some some of the watch 981 00:41:09,470 --> 00:41:06,410 standers actually have said publicly now 982 00:41:13,010 --> 00:41:09,480 that they saw him come from space down 983 00:41:15,500 --> 00:41:13,020 to about 80,000 feet and then dropped 984 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:15,510 down to 20 in the 20 thousands but the 985 00:41:20,330 --> 00:41:17,850 only time built the only altitudes I saw 986 00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:20,340 the objects myself what my own eyes was 987 00:41:25,220 --> 00:41:23,369 at 28,000 and below well I never saw him 988 00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:25,230 that high yeah but you know I was in a 989 00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:26,880 different I was in a different 990 00:41:32,540 --> 00:41:30,000 completely different sub mode on my 991 00:41:34,130 --> 00:41:32,550 system so it doesn't surprise me now I 992 00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:34,140 know you're you're not one to speculate 993 00:41:39,980 --> 00:41:35,910 but I'm still gonna ask you this 994 00:41:41,930 --> 00:41:39,990 question why do you suppose there was an 995 00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:41,940 object in the water does that has that 996 00:41:48,109 --> 00:41:44,730 have you been thinking about that why 997 00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:48,119 that was there I think it could have 998 00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:50,880 been biologics I mean because commander 999 00:41:56,030 --> 00:41:52,560 forever saw the tic-tac just above the 1000 00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:56,040 surface and presumably these things have 1001 00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:58,170 some sort of propulsion technology 1002 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:01,440 behind him hmm maybe they attract fish 1003 00:42:05,300 --> 00:42:03,330 maybe the fish were coming up to take a 1004 00:42:09,260 --> 00:42:05,310 look and just creating a disturbance in 1005 00:42:12,020 --> 00:42:09,270 the water I there's other of course 1006 00:42:14,030 --> 00:42:12,030 there's other theories out there that I 1007 00:42:16,370 --> 00:42:14,040 you know I can't describe myself to him 1008 00:42:20,930 --> 00:42:16,380 because I just don't know there was he 1009 00:42:22,849 --> 00:42:20,940 had asked me I would say biologics okay 1010 00:42:26,029 --> 00:42:22,859 there was a at some point where someone 1011 00:42:29,630 --> 00:42:26,039 mentioned that they thought that the the 1012 00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,640 shape and the water look almost like you 1013 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:31,440 know it was vertical but then it had 1014 00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:34,650 like a crossbar almost like you know 1015 00:42:39,380 --> 00:42:37,529 like wings and then I hadn't heard 1016 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:39,390 anything more about that did you 1017 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:42,210 actually hear of what the object look 1018 00:42:46,460 --> 00:42:44,130 like or the disturbance looked like yeah 1019 00:42:48,319 --> 00:42:46,470 um when I talked to commander forever 1020 00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:48,329 when we returned back to San Diego 1021 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:50,400 we of course I pulled him off his side 1022 00:42:55,219 --> 00:42:51,690 when we talked a little bit about this 1023 00:42:57,469 --> 00:42:55,229 he described the tic tacs as they look 1024 00:43:02,539 --> 00:42:57,479 just like tic tacs about 47 feet long no 1025 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:02,549 doors no windows no no propulsion just 1026 00:43:06,979 --> 00:43:04,890 like a giant Tic Tac and I said well 1027 00:43:08,299 --> 00:43:06,989 what about the disturbance in the water 1028 00:43:10,460 --> 00:43:08,309 he said well it looked to me like an 1029 00:43:13,219 --> 00:43:10,470 airplane had gone down it was just right 1030 00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:13,229 below the surface so that's probably 1031 00:43:19,900 --> 00:43:15,359 where that description originated I 1032 00:43:24,380 --> 00:43:19,910 would have to think right right Wow well 1033 00:43:27,170 --> 00:43:24,390 okay so as this is there's no and it go 1034 00:43:28,940 --> 00:43:27,180 ahead it you know to kind of answer your 1035 00:43:31,729 --> 00:43:28,950 question we were indeed standing around 1036 00:43:33,519 --> 00:43:31,739 in combat looking at each other with big 1037 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:33,529 huge question marks in place of pupils 1038 00:43:40,130 --> 00:43:37,410 okay and I remember asking Captain Smith 1039 00:43:42,829 --> 00:43:40,140 I said well sir what what what do you 1040 00:43:46,700 --> 00:43:42,839 think these things are and his response 1041 00:43:48,739 --> 00:43:46,710 were was ice crystals really I mean that 1042 00:43:51,739 --> 00:43:48,749 just goes to say it was a very very 1043 00:43:54,799 --> 00:43:51,749 experienced skipper lots of years at sea 1044 00:43:57,289 --> 00:43:54,809 lots of your behind radars and I mean 1045 00:43:59,089 --> 00:43:57,299 that's I think we're all racking our 1046 00:44:02,089 --> 00:43:59,099 brains to try to understand what we were 1047 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:02,099 looking at yeah and and I don't know 1048 00:44:06,859 --> 00:44:04,170 maybe his explanation was good as anyone 1049 00:44:08,509 --> 00:44:06,869 elses at the moment yeah when when a 1050 00:44:11,569 --> 00:44:08,519 skipper says something like that then 1051 00:44:15,380 --> 00:44:11,579 you just say oh okay I mean you don't 1052 00:44:21,049 --> 00:44:15,390 argue with him right but I actually kind 1053 00:44:22,339 --> 00:44:21,059 of laughed out loud and I madami but say 1054 00:44:24,410 --> 00:44:22,349 you know he didn't he kind of chuckled 1055 00:44:27,140 --> 00:44:24,420 to you so I actually don't really know 1056 00:44:28,759 --> 00:44:27,150 senior chief um kind of let me slide on 1057 00:44:31,459 --> 00:44:28,769 that one huh normally I'd normally 1058 00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:31,469 didn't have that laughing that captains 1059 00:44:38,260 --> 00:44:34,730 yes kid but I'm looking at him you 1060 00:44:39,730 --> 00:44:38,270 yeah but I in other words I didn't think 1061 00:44:42,339 --> 00:44:39,740 it was ice crystal that thought that was 1062 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:42,349 um if I could say that they I thought it 1063 00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:44,210 was a ludicrous explanation at the time 1064 00:44:47,470 --> 00:44:45,040 but that's okay 1065 00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:47,480 you know we didn't or knew what they 1066 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:50,089 were right right you know it just it 1067 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:53,170 seems to me this is just my own thoughts 1068 00:44:59,440 --> 00:44:55,970 but it would seem to me that if there 1069 00:45:02,589 --> 00:44:59,450 was an encounter like this the military 1070 00:45:04,060 --> 00:45:02,599 should be curious you know because you 1071 00:45:05,950 --> 00:45:04,070 know for instance the Air Force supposed 1072 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:05,960 to kind of protect the skies and you 1073 00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:08,570 know I know this is the Navy Navy 1074 00:45:15,460 --> 00:45:12,880 operation but also you know Navy is 1075 00:45:16,780 --> 00:45:15,470 there to protect as well it would just 1076 00:45:22,060 --> 00:45:16,790 think that there would be more curiosity 1077 00:45:24,430 --> 00:45:22,070 and and almost like other arms of the 1078 00:45:26,620 --> 00:45:24,440 service could get involved and you know 1079 00:45:28,660 --> 00:45:26,630 at least trying to figure out what these 1080 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:28,670 things are and and trying to do some 1081 00:45:33,150 --> 00:45:30,770 more tracking but it just seems like 1082 00:45:35,980 --> 00:45:33,160 there was no real engagement except for 1083 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:35,990 you know commander favors flight going 1084 00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:37,490 up and checking it out really there was 1085 00:45:44,500 --> 00:45:39,710 no other engagement of any type was 1086 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:44,510 there at the time I didn't know that 1087 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:46,010 there was but as it turns out there 1088 00:45:51,309 --> 00:45:48,890 actually was engagement apparently what 1089 00:45:53,020 --> 00:45:51,319 happened and I again this is second-hand 1090 00:45:54,609 --> 00:45:53,030 information to me had not my personal 1091 00:45:57,790 --> 00:45:54,619 experience but just talking to some of 1092 00:45:59,950 --> 00:45:57,800 the other witnesses apparently the a 1093 00:46:03,160 --> 00:45:59,960 couple Air Force officers arrived on 1094 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:03,170 board the minutes and actually took 1095 00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:05,930 custody of all the all the the pilot 1096 00:46:11,530 --> 00:46:08,240 that data that was there and 1097 00:46:13,210 --> 00:46:11,540 interestingly on board the person I came 1098 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:13,220 up the next day I was in the right I was 1099 00:46:16,030 --> 00:46:14,930 gonna write an after-action report about 1100 00:46:17,740 --> 00:46:16,040 this whole thing you know I was gonna 1101 00:46:20,260 --> 00:46:17,750 listen but decided to listen to the 1102 00:46:21,970 --> 00:46:20,270 comms which is recorded the optical disc 1103 00:46:23,770 --> 00:46:21,980 and multiple tracks in case something 1104 00:46:26,530 --> 00:46:23,780 happens we can we can go back to listen 1105 00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,540 to the convent figure it out the 1106 00:46:32,109 --> 00:46:28,400 comments were all gone someone had taken 1107 00:46:35,020 --> 00:46:32,119 the comms well I didn't and I didn't 1108 00:46:37,329 --> 00:46:35,030 know about it um a lot of the witnesses 1109 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:37,339 are claiming they they had to sign NDA's 1110 00:46:41,380 --> 00:46:39,530 non-disclosure agreements told not to 1111 00:46:43,050 --> 00:46:41,390 talk about it and that's probably reason 1112 00:46:45,220 --> 00:46:43,060 why they're not talking about it 1113 00:46:48,370 --> 00:46:45,230 something you take pretty seriously if 1114 00:46:50,380 --> 00:46:48,380 you told that I never was um 1115 00:46:51,850 --> 00:46:50,390 a transfer I transferred the ship came 1116 00:46:55,180 --> 00:46:51,860 back in the port I transferred a couple 1117 00:46:56,620 --> 00:46:55,190 weeks later and I went to my last my 1118 00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:56,630 last assignment the Navy before I 1119 00:47:00,340 --> 00:46:57,530 retired no it 1120 00:47:01,630 --> 00:47:00,350 at no point no one ever um talked to me 1121 00:47:05,610 --> 00:47:01,640 about it no one ever questioned me about 1122 00:47:10,330 --> 00:47:05,620 it and I never had to sign anything um 1123 00:47:12,820 --> 00:47:10,340 and I was that's why I feel free to do 1124 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:12,830 it today um if they would if I would 1125 00:47:16,510 --> 00:47:14,450 have had to sign an NDA or told not to 1126 00:47:18,490 --> 00:47:16,520 talk about it you probably would have 1127 00:47:21,610 --> 00:47:18,500 never heard my name right I take it that 1128 00:47:24,460 --> 00:47:21,620 seriously sure yeah yeah I agree so I 1129 00:47:27,820 --> 00:47:24,470 think it's kind of odd don't you think 1130 00:47:30,970 --> 00:47:27,830 that that you were it's time for us to 1131 00:47:33,390 --> 00:47:30,980 go to break but we'll pick this up after 1132 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:33,400 the break but I want to talk to you why 1133 00:47:41,140 --> 00:47:38,090 why it's possible that they didn't even 1134 00:47:43,540 --> 00:47:41,150 ask you that so for now we're going to 1135 00:47:48,780 --> 00:47:43,550 go to break so hang in everyone we'll be 1136 00:47:53,860 --> 00:47:51,970 hello and welcome back to the show I'm 1137 00:47:56,860 --> 00:47:53,870 Martin Willis your host and we have 1138 00:48:00,640 --> 00:47:56,870 Kevin day with us this evening 1139 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:00,650 very interesting story so at the 1140 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:03,490 beginning just before we went into break 1141 00:48:09,970 --> 00:48:06,530 Kevin I was kind of getting at the 1142 00:48:11,530 --> 00:48:09,980 subject like why do you suppose that 1143 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:11,540 they didn't have you signed a 1144 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:13,610 non-disclosure and they're okay with you 1145 00:48:18,610 --> 00:48:15,770 obviously okay with you talking about it 1146 00:48:21,370 --> 00:48:18,620 or did they just think that you didn't 1147 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:21,380 have enough data to I mean what's the 1148 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:23,050 deal what do you think the deal is you 1149 00:48:29,860 --> 00:48:26,210 know this is quite the question within 1150 00:48:32,980 --> 00:48:29,870 our small research community my personal 1151 00:48:34,780 --> 00:48:32,990 theory on it is I kind of look at it 1152 00:48:36,700 --> 00:48:34,790 like this we had the distract group out 1153 00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:36,710 there there's literally thousands of 1154 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:38,240 potential witnesses that saw this thing 1155 00:48:43,150 --> 00:48:41,090 and I think that if they would have nd8 1156 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:43,160 every one of us maybe would have created 1157 00:48:48,460 --> 00:48:45,490 a larger problem than they anticipated 1158 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:48,470 originally so what I think they had to 1159 00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:49,850 make some hard choices so what I think 1160 00:48:54,130 --> 00:48:52,130 they decided to do is to only nd aid 1161 00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:54,140 technicians people that actually had the 1162 00:48:58,750 --> 00:48:57,290 technical data the actual recorded date 1163 00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:58,760 on the radar systems and the 1164 00:49:02,910 --> 00:49:01,520 communications and kind of left the 1165 00:49:05,380 --> 00:49:02,920 operators 1166 00:49:07,090 --> 00:49:05,390 hmm they had to draw a line somewhere 1167 00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:07,100 and I guess that's where these decided 1168 00:49:12,820 --> 00:49:10,570 to do it but uh and I'm speculating I 1169 00:49:14,859 --> 00:49:12,830 honestly do not know why I was never 1170 00:49:17,980 --> 00:49:14,869 told to talk about it why didn't have to 1171 00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:17,990 sign an NDA right Wow 1172 00:49:24,970 --> 00:49:21,440 so you mentioned earlier that there was 1173 00:49:26,410 --> 00:49:24,980 an optical disk that you went to check 1174 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:26,420 on that basically shows the 1175 00:49:33,310 --> 00:49:30,410 communications and and it there was 1176 00:49:34,660 --> 00:49:33,320 nothing on it or and you said it was it 1177 00:49:37,060 --> 00:49:34,670 was hard to believe that happened can 1178 00:49:40,090 --> 00:49:37,070 you explain exactly what not entitled 1179 00:49:41,380 --> 00:49:40,100 yeah I wouldn't say there is nothing on 1180 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:41,390 another system that we're talking about 1181 00:49:45,150 --> 00:49:43,610 who it was at the time I'm not sure what 1182 00:49:47,380 --> 00:49:45,160 they use nowadays there's probably a 1183 00:49:49,359 --> 00:49:47,390 another technology that's come and 1184 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:49,369 replaced it but the system was called 1185 00:49:56,020 --> 00:49:52,810 the Rd 390 according to device 390 and 1186 00:49:58,720 --> 00:49:56,030 basically it recorded onto optical disk 1187 00:49:59,950 --> 00:49:58,730 and redundant tracks and I won't even 1188 00:50:02,830 --> 00:49:59,960 say how many tracks here that still 1189 00:50:05,350 --> 00:50:02,840 might be classified and the purpose 1190 00:50:06,820 --> 00:50:05,360 behind doing it is so it can't be messed 1191 00:50:10,270 --> 00:50:06,830 with it can't be erased it can't be 1192 00:50:12,099 --> 00:50:10,280 altered you get some stuck in that you 1193 00:50:14,050 --> 00:50:12,109 know in the that media whatever the 1194 00:50:16,540 --> 00:50:14,060 optical disk is made out of and it's not 1195 00:50:18,340 --> 00:50:16,550 supposed to be erasable and what that 1196 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:18,350 thing does is the external 1197 00:50:22,690 --> 00:50:20,690 communications all of our radios every 1198 00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:22,700 time you Yukiya might to talk to another 1199 00:50:25,300 --> 00:50:24,650 ship or another aircraft or whatever the 1200 00:50:28,270 --> 00:50:25,310 case may be 1201 00:50:30,970 --> 00:50:28,280 it will leave a recording on that 1202 00:50:33,250 --> 00:50:30,980 obstacle obstacle digital's give the 1203 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:33,260 date type stamp and then a record 1204 00:50:37,450 --> 00:50:36,290 whatever said so the next one I come up 1205 00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:37,460 to combat I was going to write a message 1206 00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:40,730 a detailed report about what what had 1207 00:50:44,770 --> 00:50:43,040 just happened so I got that I got the 1208 00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:44,780 lead technician with for that piece of 1209 00:50:47,950 --> 00:50:46,130 equipment we sat down we were gonna 1210 00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:47,960 listen playback all the comms and listen 1211 00:50:54,010 --> 00:50:52,130 to it well strangely enough all the time 1212 00:50:57,010 --> 00:50:54,020 hacks are on the disk but all the all 1213 00:51:00,520 --> 00:50:57,020 the voice recordings were all gone only 1214 00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:00,530 the time hacks were left and to this day 1215 00:51:02,500 --> 00:51:01,609 I don't really have a good explanation 1216 00:51:06,070 --> 00:51:02,510 for it 1217 00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:06,080 could someone fizzle Minh had someone 1218 00:51:10,260 --> 00:51:08,480 had swapped the disk out during the 1219 00:51:11,790 --> 00:51:10,270 night or whatever I didn't know about it 1220 00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:11,800 Wow 1221 00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:15,680 so they were taking obviously it appears 1222 00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:16,400 that this thing 1223 00:51:24,430 --> 00:51:20,480 being taken pretty seriously if and and 1224 00:51:26,610 --> 00:51:24,440 the film also was was taken as far as as 1225 00:51:28,900 --> 00:51:26,620 far as other witnesses are saying 1226 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:28,910 according to all the other witnesses yes 1227 00:51:32,620 --> 00:51:30,890 there was a-there force officers came on 1228 00:51:35,020 --> 00:51:32,630 board the Nimitz and apparently the 1229 00:51:36,370 --> 00:51:35,030 Princeton do I have to imagine I'm 1230 00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:36,380 although I wasn't aware of it at the 1231 00:51:43,570 --> 00:51:39,920 time and took it took all the data that 1232 00:51:47,140 --> 00:51:43,580 they could I wonder why and where it 1233 00:51:48,970 --> 00:51:47,150 went yeah and it's kind of troubling to 1234 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:48,980 me because I mean we're out there doing 1235 00:51:55,980 --> 00:51:53,690 a navy exercise and in order for another 1236 00:51:58,900 --> 00:51:55,990 agency or another group of people to be 1237 00:52:00,760 --> 00:51:58,910 onboard the ship that quick to get all 1238 00:52:02,980 --> 00:52:00,770 this stuff that kind of suggests that 1239 00:52:08,070 --> 00:52:02,990 they had to know it was going on doesn't 1240 00:52:10,180 --> 00:52:08,080 it which greatly troubles me because I 1241 00:52:11,860 --> 00:52:10,190 think we're just lucky nothing that 1242 00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:11,870 happened I mean you're not supposed to 1243 00:52:16,060 --> 00:52:14,480 run an exercise and everyone's briefed 1244 00:52:17,380 --> 00:52:16,070 about it and on top of that there's 1245 00:52:19,630 --> 00:52:17,390 another exercise that no one knows about 1246 00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:19,640 in the same piece of sky because bad 1247 00:52:26,530 --> 00:52:21,680 things can happen there could have been 1248 00:52:28,570 --> 00:52:26,540 an air-to-air incident right because we 1249 00:52:31,630 --> 00:52:28,580 weren't aware we we did know they were 1250 00:52:33,580 --> 00:52:31,640 supposed to be there so if that you know 1251 00:52:36,700 --> 00:52:33,590 I'm that's one that's one issue about 1252 00:52:38,020 --> 00:52:36,710 this it kind of troubles me and again I 1253 00:52:39,940 --> 00:52:38,030 don't want to speculate I want these 1254 00:52:43,390 --> 00:52:39,950 things were but in the case they could 1255 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:43,400 have been and another experiment I'm not 1256 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:44,810 a happy camper about it I have to tell 1257 00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:47,210 you because I think they were they were 1258 00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:49,730 playing with fire if that's the case you 1259 00:52:53,650 --> 00:52:51,530 know I haven't I haven't announced I 1260 00:52:56,590 --> 00:52:53,660 haven't announced that we're taking 1261 00:52:58,570 --> 00:52:56,600 calls yet but someone's trying to call 1262 00:53:02,470 --> 00:52:58,580 would you like to would you like to 1263 00:53:03,940 --> 00:53:02,480 answer a call you bet let's roll into it 1264 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:03,950 okay 1265 00:53:09,550 --> 00:53:06,410 come caller you're on the line I think I 1266 00:53:12,850 --> 00:53:09,560 may have just hung up on caller yeah 1267 00:53:14,580 --> 00:53:12,860 you're there you have a claim Martin hi 1268 00:53:18,750 --> 00:53:14,590 what's your name were you calling for H 1269 00:53:21,340 --> 00:53:18,760 this is Dave Alton hey Dave how are you 1270 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:21,350 I'm good buddy how you doing doing great 1271 00:53:27,970 --> 00:53:25,490 doing great yeah I'm excited about this 1272 00:53:29,950 --> 00:53:27,980 show I'll actually I'll be meeting Kevin 1273 00:53:32,380 --> 00:53:29,960 at the mega con 1274 00:53:33,730 --> 00:53:32,390 oh oh yeah we should load eight we'll 1275 00:53:36,940 --> 00:53:33,740 talk about that then how you doing Kevin 1276 00:53:39,790 --> 00:53:36,950 and a weaker skirt yeah yeah I'll be uh 1277 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:39,800 I'll be there with David O'Leary from 1278 00:53:48,660 --> 00:53:44,810 Project Blue Book outstanding yeah yeah 1279 00:53:52,050 --> 00:53:48,670 so I look forward to meeting you yeah so 1280 00:53:55,650 --> 00:53:52,060 your name go ahead go ahead I'm sorry 1281 00:53:58,630 --> 00:53:55,660 yeah well I I mean I'm not really in the 1282 00:54:00,640 --> 00:53:58,640 you apology field I'm a celebrity talent 1283 00:54:03,700 --> 00:54:00,650 agent but I have a I have a lot of 1284 00:54:05,230 --> 00:54:03,710 friends that are you know in this field 1285 00:54:07,570 --> 00:54:05,240 you might be on my facebook or something 1286 00:54:10,420 --> 00:54:07,580 now maybe that's it yeah I've heard your 1287 00:54:14,290 --> 00:54:10,430 name for sure I have a cool 1288 00:54:16,030 --> 00:54:14,300 hey yeah so a question that some people 1289 00:54:18,839 --> 00:54:16,040 and I'm kind of curious about this as 1290 00:54:22,270 --> 00:54:18,849 well is if there was any type of 1291 00:54:24,670 --> 00:54:22,280 activity kind of like the hitch-hiker 1292 00:54:26,740 --> 00:54:24,680 phenomenon that happened at the ranch 1293 00:54:29,410 --> 00:54:26,750 like if there was any After Effects of 1294 00:54:35,050 --> 00:54:29,420 things you know maybe affecting people 1295 00:54:37,089 --> 00:54:35,060 after the event yeah that indeed has 1296 00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:37,099 that happened to me over the last 10 1297 00:54:42,550 --> 00:54:39,680 years there's there was a paper written 1298 00:54:44,380 --> 00:54:42,560 about this by Jacques Vallee and Eric 1299 00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:44,390 Davis dr. Jacques Vallee and dr. Eric 1300 00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:48,050 Davis was called the incommensurability 1301 00:54:52,930 --> 00:54:50,930 of high strangeness in what they could 1302 00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:52,940 find it on the internet and you know it 1303 00:54:57,010 --> 00:54:54,890 basically basically is outlined a 1304 00:54:59,650 --> 00:54:57,020 framework for doing field research on 1305 00:55:01,420 --> 00:54:59,660 these sightings and one of the 1306 00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:01,430 categories they came up with was 1307 00:55:07,180 --> 00:55:03,170 something called human human effects 1308 00:55:08,500 --> 00:55:07,190 from close encounter experiences no I 1309 00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:08,510 didn't know it for the last ten years 1310 00:55:13,210 --> 00:55:10,400 I've only discovered this within the 1311 00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:13,220 last year and a half or so it's often 1312 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:14,570 the case when people have Close 1313 00:55:21,220 --> 00:55:19,010 Encounters there is a hitchhiker type 1314 00:55:25,930 --> 00:55:21,230 thing that happens to invade it changes 1315 00:55:30,690 --> 00:55:25,940 it changes you interaction yeah changes 1316 00:55:33,839 --> 00:55:30,700 you and so I heard knowing talk about it 1317 00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:33,849 yeah it's true I can personally testify 1318 00:55:38,290 --> 00:55:36,650 about it and the thing that's troubling 1319 00:55:41,470 --> 00:55:38,300 about it unless you know it's going to 1320 00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:41,480 happen to you it can it can really mess 1321 00:55:43,690 --> 00:55:43,040 with you you because you know your 1322 00:55:45,609 --> 00:55:43,700 personality 1323 00:55:48,940 --> 00:55:45,619 sangeun you also do have abilities that 1324 00:55:54,700 --> 00:55:48,950 you didn't have before and you have 1325 00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:54,710 never have you ever been checked for the 1326 00:56:00,430 --> 00:55:58,880 for the DNA marker not yet because I 1327 00:56:01,150 --> 00:56:00,440 hope yeah but I mean you know what I'm 1328 00:56:05,470 --> 00:56:01,160 talking about 1329 00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:05,480 I do indeed I do yes wow that's crazy 1330 00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:07,040 that I want I want to know you know I 1331 00:56:13,470 --> 00:56:10,250 want to know what happened to me has has 1332 00:56:15,790 --> 00:56:13,480 kicked green ever reached out to you 1333 00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:15,800 know can you talk about I mean if you 1334 00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:16,640 don't you know if we can't talk about 1335 00:56:25,300 --> 00:56:24,050 stuff you know it's I get it um what go 1336 00:56:27,940 --> 00:56:25,310 ahead and ask me some questions I guess 1337 00:56:31,150 --> 00:56:27,950 I well no I you know just just about you 1338 00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:31,160 know if doctor to green or Gary Nolan or 1339 00:56:35,109 --> 00:56:33,050 anybody like that you know has reached 1340 00:56:36,849 --> 00:56:35,119 out to you about you know testing 1341 00:56:39,819 --> 00:56:36,859 testing you for that gene because I know 1342 00:56:41,940 --> 00:56:39,829 that after contact like that that 1343 00:56:44,500 --> 00:56:41,950 certain people end up having that marker 1344 00:56:46,660 --> 00:56:44,510 where start you know the strangest is 1345 00:56:50,380 --> 00:56:46,670 more you kind of become the antenna 1346 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:50,390 after that yeah they haven't done it but 1347 00:56:54,460 --> 00:56:52,010 if they did I would definitely entertain 1348 00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:54,470 the idea of doing it because you know I 1349 00:56:59,410 --> 00:56:56,960 would like to know but would like 1350 00:57:01,150 --> 00:56:59,420 Hollywood well I'm sure I know maybe if 1351 00:57:03,660 --> 00:57:01,160 you if you could reach out to those guys 1352 00:57:05,859 --> 00:57:03,670 or somebody like you know John Burroughs 1353 00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:05,869 they would definitely be able to point 1354 00:57:10,900 --> 00:57:07,010 you in the direction of the people to 1355 00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:10,910 talk to that's a good idea I think it's 1356 00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:12,650 time to do there you go really do there 1357 00:57:17,319 --> 00:57:15,650 you go yep alright I don't want to take 1358 00:57:20,140 --> 00:57:17,329 up too much of your show Martin but a 1359 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:20,150 good to say hello again and Kevin I will 1360 00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:22,970 see you in a few weeks so so Chris all 1361 00:57:27,579 --> 00:57:24,530 thing it not Chris what's your first 1362 00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:27,589 name Dave Aldgate evolving okay Dave 1363 00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:31,609 Altman I'm unforgettable okay we'll be 1364 00:57:40,030 --> 00:57:36,530 seeing you later Dave 1365 00:57:42,130 --> 00:57:40,040 bye-bye that's interesting 1366 00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:42,140 now Kevin I know you and I spoke briefly 1367 00:57:46,089 --> 00:57:44,569 ahead of the show and you said that you 1368 00:57:49,170 --> 00:57:46,099 didn't want to talk about unless someone 1369 00:57:51,309 --> 00:57:49,180 brought it up well someone brought it up 1370 00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:51,319 yeah and basically I could summarize 1371 00:57:56,770 --> 00:57:53,690 what's happened to me it's um okay just 1372 00:57:57,580 --> 00:57:56,780 to kind of basically what I think about 1373 00:58:00,370 --> 00:57:57,590 a lot as a 1374 00:58:01,810 --> 00:58:00,380 I tend to see that happen now some 1375 00:58:03,550 --> 00:58:01,820 people have called it manna being able 1376 00:58:06,090 --> 00:58:03,560 to manifest stuff I don't I think that's 1377 00:58:11,590 --> 00:58:06,100 too grandiose what's really happening 1378 00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:11,600 but what I think about a lot really does 1379 00:58:14,860 --> 00:58:13,130 tend to happen like to the stars 1380 00:58:18,820 --> 00:58:14,870 Academy's been over to my house you know 1381 00:58:20,020 --> 00:58:18,830 Tom DeLonge yeah Louie Elizondo and when 1382 00:58:21,700 --> 00:58:20,030 I first mentioned that I was going to 1383 00:58:23,350 --> 00:58:21,710 make him appear at my house everyone 1384 00:58:25,300 --> 00:58:23,360 laughed at me you know in my face right 1385 00:58:28,810 --> 00:58:25,310 I'm not openly but they thought well 1386 00:58:32,380 --> 00:58:28,820 okay and a couple months later there 1387 00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:32,390 they were they were here with the 1388 00:58:35,140 --> 00:58:33,890 History Channel they were you know I'm 1389 00:58:35,830 --> 00:58:35,150 gonna be on the History Channel coming 1390 00:58:39,490 --> 00:58:35,840 up in May 1391 00:58:41,500 --> 00:58:39,500 oh yeah and and discovery was just 1392 00:58:43,570 --> 00:58:41,510 Discovery Channel the production crew 1393 00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:43,580 for discoveries at my house about three 1394 00:58:48,090 --> 00:58:45,290 weeks ago now and they got a new show 1395 00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:48,100 coming out called I believe this cold 1396 00:58:54,790 --> 00:58:52,090 unidentified that's your channel well 1397 00:58:57,190 --> 00:58:54,800 the History Channel's okay I got them 1398 00:58:59,110 --> 00:58:57,200 yeah there's contact and then identified 1399 00:59:03,730 --> 00:58:59,120 I got them I got them flip-flopped there 1400 00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:03,740 yeah yeah good well well that's that's 1401 00:59:11,050 --> 00:59:07,010 interesting and so it's it's almost like 1402 00:59:12,370 --> 00:59:11,060 you you have a premonition of things 1403 00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:12,380 that are going to happen is that what 1404 00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:15,290 you seem to yeah yeah 1405 00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:16,970 one of the things that I really sticks 1406 00:59:21,700 --> 00:59:19,610 out my mind is um and I really got beat 1407 00:59:23,590 --> 00:59:21,710 up for this and I'm I have to say right 1408 00:59:25,420 --> 00:59:23,600 off the top I'm really a political I 1409 00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:25,430 don't really get in and a lot of people 1410 00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:26,450 get real tighter than the whole 1411 00:59:31,300 --> 00:59:29,090 political thing I just don't I kind of 1412 00:59:33,460 --> 00:59:31,310 follow it but I don't really have a dog 1413 00:59:35,860 --> 00:59:33,470 in that side I guess but anyway when a 1414 00:59:38,530 --> 00:59:35,870 president Trump announced for president 1415 00:59:39,610 --> 00:59:38,540 I knew I knew that day as soon as I 1416 00:59:41,050 --> 00:59:39,620 heard it I knew he was gonna become 1417 00:59:42,820 --> 00:59:41,060 president there was no doubt in my mind 1418 00:59:45,700 --> 00:59:42,830 and I even put it on Facebook the next 1419 00:59:47,140 --> 00:59:45,710 morning and everyone laughed at me no 1420 00:59:47,860 --> 00:59:47,150 one I guess at the time thought it was 1421 00:59:50,170 --> 00:59:47,870 even possible 1422 00:59:53,860 --> 00:59:50,180 yeah but I just kind of knew it was 1423 00:59:56,740 --> 00:59:53,870 gonna happen well yeah there's a few 1424 01:00:00,070 --> 00:59:56,750 people that that claim they knew that 1425 01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:00,080 was going to happen too and yeah we 1426 01:00:07,410 --> 01:00:02,090 don't we don't talk politics on on here 1427 01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:07,420 it's not about my interest area at all 1428 01:00:11,230 --> 01:00:09,530 okay I think that's because I was in the 1429 01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:11,240 military I served under several pros 1430 01:00:18,250 --> 01:00:15,440 and you know and that was my job so yeah 1431 01:00:22,660 --> 01:00:18,260 I think I kind of I still have that 1432 01:00:25,450 --> 01:00:22,670 lesson to go by we if you'd like we can 1433 01:00:26,500 --> 01:00:25,460 actually take more calls I put that 1434 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:26,510 number up on the screen 1435 01:00:30,850 --> 01:00:28,970 okay yeah so yep I'd love to that 1436 01:00:33,970 --> 01:00:30,860 numbers up on the screen on YouTube and 1437 01:00:36,940 --> 01:00:33,980 if you're listening over at kgr a radio 1438 01:00:39,220 --> 01:00:36,950 that number is and it's only during the 1439 01:00:41,350 --> 01:00:39,230 show only I get calls constantly that 1440 01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:41,360 this is just a show number that's six oh 1441 01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:44,690 three nine six seven four OH three oh 1442 01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:46,610 and the lines open if someone wants to 1443 01:00:51,910 --> 01:00:49,850 call can only take one call at a time so 1444 01:00:54,430 --> 01:00:51,920 if you're calling and I don't pick it up 1445 01:00:58,480 --> 01:00:54,440 just try again later 1446 01:00:58,930 --> 01:00:58,490 we have someone trying right now hello 1447 01:01:01,510 --> 01:00:58,940 caller 1448 01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:01,520 welcome to the show you're your name and 1449 01:01:07,750 --> 01:01:04,850 where you calling from Jim from British 1450 01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:07,760 Columbia Oh Jim we've had you on the 1451 01:01:13,540 --> 01:01:09,770 show before you're a real thinker if I 1452 01:01:18,099 --> 01:01:13,550 remember right oh well I do my best 1453 01:01:25,060 --> 01:01:18,109 I have questions sure yeah far away 1454 01:01:28,330 --> 01:01:25,070 hello Jim oh hi yes so go ahead fire 1455 01:01:29,980 --> 01:01:28,340 away your questions okay I'm here 1456 01:01:32,470 --> 01:01:29,990 I can't hear them on the telephone oh 1457 01:01:34,980 --> 01:01:32,480 you can't hand here Martha's on can I 1458 01:01:37,390 --> 01:01:34,990 hear it what is this this is Martin oh 1459 01:01:42,630 --> 01:01:37,400 hi Martin yeah this is Jim from British 1460 01:01:46,330 --> 01:01:42,640 Columbia and I have a question about 1461 01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:46,340 genetic markers for antenna or something 1462 01:01:55,900 --> 01:01:52,850 like that were you discussing that a 1463 01:01:58,630 --> 01:01:55,910 genetic marker but I don't really know 1464 01:02:00,640 --> 01:01:58,640 what's involved in that Kevin do you 1465 01:02:03,460 --> 01:02:00,650 knew it no what Dave Altman was talking 1466 01:02:05,830 --> 01:02:03,470 about when he called in um probably not 1467 01:02:08,859 --> 01:02:05,840 as detailed as he would probably go into 1468 01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:08,869 that from what I understand is um close 1469 01:02:14,950 --> 01:02:12,050 encounter with uit leaves 1470 01:02:18,940 --> 01:02:14,960 changes in your DNA that's traceable and 1471 01:02:22,450 --> 01:02:18,950 identifiable oh that's probably the 1472 01:02:24,609 --> 01:02:22,460 limit of my knowledge about it and you 1473 01:02:24,910 --> 01:02:24,619 know just so you know I was Jim just so 1474 01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:24,920 you know 1475 01:02:29,470 --> 01:02:27,680 was never a UFO UAT got my whole life so 1476 01:02:31,810 --> 01:02:29,480 a lot of this this whole thing is new to 1477 01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:31,820 me too and I'm spending a lot of time 1478 01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:33,410 learning about it and trying to catch up 1479 01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:37,490 so okay well I've had paranormal which 1480 01:02:44,110 --> 01:02:40,970 nothing extra light and I've I've only 1481 01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:44,120 had one UFO sighting but I know you know 1482 01:02:48,430 --> 01:02:46,730 it was a real object in the sky and 1483 01:02:51,370 --> 01:02:48,440 there's no doubt about that 1484 01:02:53,290 --> 01:02:51,380 but I know you know I know a lot of 1485 01:02:56,830 --> 01:02:53,300 people and I encourage people to talk 1486 01:02:58,840 --> 01:02:56,840 about paranormal and UFOs and recently 1487 01:03:02,760 --> 01:02:58,850 I've been asking strangers have you ever 1488 01:03:06,730 --> 01:03:02,770 seen a UFO and I'm getting about 12% yes 1489 01:03:08,980 --> 01:03:06,740 but I know that I know there's more than 1490 01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:08,990 that because just from my friends and so 1491 01:03:13,390 --> 01:03:12,410 on I've known people for four ten years 1492 01:03:15,790 --> 01:03:13,400 or something and then all of a sudden 1493 01:03:18,190 --> 01:03:15,800 they'll say they saw UFO right or 1494 01:03:21,850 --> 01:03:18,200 they've had some other paranormal 1495 01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:21,860 experience and there's it's in my family 1496 01:03:29,020 --> 01:03:25,370 as well and I I think it's I think a 1497 01:03:32,340 --> 01:03:29,030 person is born with an ability which I 1498 01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:32,350 called I call it intuition but it is 1499 01:03:41,350 --> 01:03:36,370 similar to all kinds of non-local 1500 01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:41,360 consciousness right so if a person has 1501 01:03:47,980 --> 01:03:44,720 an ability to for the consciousness to 1502 01:03:50,470 --> 01:03:47,990 go outside of their mind then they can 1503 01:03:52,510 --> 01:03:50,480 be aware of many things outside the mind 1504 01:03:55,180 --> 01:03:52,520 means outside of time as well and I've 1505 01:03:57,820 --> 01:03:55,190 had that experience where I jumped ahead 1506 01:03:59,800 --> 01:03:57,830 in time or I jumped back in time I've 1507 01:04:03,220 --> 01:03:59,810 only had that like maybe three times in 1508 01:04:06,790 --> 01:04:03,230 my life but that's what non-local 1509 01:04:09,070 --> 01:04:06,800 consciousness is about and it would it 1510 01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:09,080 would apply in your case when you think 1511 01:04:11,860 --> 01:04:10,610 somebody's coming over to your place or 1512 01:04:13,990 --> 01:04:11,870 something like that it could be that 1513 01:04:16,450 --> 01:04:14,000 you're seeing forward in time 1514 01:04:20,890 --> 01:04:16,460 now the indigenous people of the world 1515 01:04:23,890 --> 01:04:20,900 who I study have this ability and they 1516 01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:23,900 used the ability to survive back in you 1517 01:04:29,860 --> 01:04:26,330 know ten thousand fifty thousand years 1518 01:04:31,060 --> 01:04:29,870 ago they used these abilities they had 1519 01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:31,070 this knowledge and they could 1520 01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:32,930 communicate over long distances and 1521 01:04:38,140 --> 01:04:36,410 sometimes they could know before a 1522 01:04:41,230 --> 01:04:38,150 disaster was going to happen 1523 01:04:44,380 --> 01:04:41,240 they would move and save their own lives 1524 01:04:47,710 --> 01:04:44,390 right and and actually that has happened 1525 01:04:49,870 --> 01:04:47,720 to me as well if it happens to a person 1526 01:04:51,940 --> 01:04:49,880 it's very clear it's not just an inkling 1527 01:04:54,359 --> 01:04:51,950 or a hunch or something like that yes 1528 01:04:58,029 --> 01:04:54,369 it's like I heard a voice in my left ear 1529 01:04:59,859 --> 01:04:58,039 shouting at me and I hammered the brakes 1530 01:05:02,319 --> 01:04:59,869 on my motorcycle and I didn't die 1531 01:05:07,029 --> 01:05:02,329 because that voice yelled in my left ear 1532 01:05:09,849 --> 01:05:07,039 right and that one time that was one one 1533 01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:09,859 incident I would be dead for sure if I 1534 01:05:15,279 --> 01:05:12,890 had not has fascinated and it was my own 1535 01:05:18,279 --> 01:05:15,289 voice oddly enough to me and I swore at 1536 01:05:22,450 --> 01:05:18,289 me just as I would have you know as if I 1537 01:05:26,349 --> 01:05:22,460 had seen ahead in time and I knew the 1538 01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:26,359 danger right and in another case of time 1539 01:05:36,489 --> 01:05:33,170 I was tracking an animal and suddenly I 1540 01:05:38,950 --> 01:05:36,499 saw the animal I was tracking and it was 1541 01:05:40,809 --> 01:05:38,960 right in front of me it appeared to be 1542 01:05:44,049 --> 01:05:40,819 right in front me and what had happened 1543 01:05:46,359 --> 01:05:44,059 is I jumped back in time about 20 1544 01:05:47,739 --> 01:05:46,369 minutes and I was watching the animal 1545 01:05:50,799 --> 01:05:47,749 that I had been following through the 1546 01:05:52,989 --> 01:05:50,809 forest and and I think that's a case of 1547 01:05:55,930 --> 01:05:52,999 non-local consciousness after this 1548 01:05:59,380 --> 01:05:55,940 happened to me I found that the Bushmen 1549 01:06:02,140 --> 01:05:59,390 of the Kalahari do this at will when 1550 01:06:04,180 --> 01:06:02,150 they're tracking animals now and for the 1551 01:06:06,220 --> 01:06:04,190 Bushmen you have to understand if they 1552 01:06:08,739 --> 01:06:06,230 don't get food they die right but if 1553 01:06:11,859 --> 01:06:08,749 they can get a big animal like you know 1554 01:06:16,089 --> 01:06:11,869 a big ungulate or something then our 1555 01:06:17,739 --> 01:06:16,099 whole tribe eats for four days you know 1556 01:06:20,019 --> 01:06:17,749 so it's really really important so they 1557 01:06:22,210 --> 01:06:20,029 developed this ability to see the 1558 01:06:26,279 --> 01:06:22,220 animals they're tracking you know and 1559 01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:26,289 they say so they say we see the animals 1560 01:06:32,319 --> 01:06:30,650 so it's it's all as I see I'm trying to 1561 01:06:35,890 --> 01:06:32,329 understand it and put it all together 1562 01:06:38,620 --> 01:06:35,900 but it seems to me that this non-local 1563 01:06:42,130 --> 01:06:38,630 consciousness is very real because I've 1564 01:06:44,890 --> 01:06:42,140 done it probably have ten really good 1565 01:06:46,509 --> 01:06:44,900 examples in my life of doing that and 1566 01:06:50,609 --> 01:06:46,519 then other people talk about it too 1567 01:06:52,709 --> 01:06:50,619 right and that's how I'm investigating 1568 01:06:55,259 --> 01:06:52,719 do you have any opium I'd like go ahead 1569 01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:55,269 go ahead Jim go ahead Martin I'm gonna 1570 01:06:59,069 --> 01:06:57,130 tell Jim I'd like to yeah 1571 01:07:02,459 --> 01:06:59,079 go ahead here we are walking over each 1572 01:07:04,739 --> 01:07:02,469 other go ahead Jim I'd just like to let 1573 01:07:06,930 --> 01:07:04,749 you know I'd like to talk to you more if 1574 01:07:10,019 --> 01:07:06,940 you could copy you could connect with me 1575 01:07:12,029 --> 01:07:10,029 either Facebook or email there are some 1576 01:07:15,809 --> 01:07:12,039 people I'd like you to other people I'd 1577 01:07:17,759 --> 01:07:15,819 like to connect you with sure email if I 1578 01:07:20,670 --> 01:07:17,769 find it here in the description or 1579 01:07:22,829 --> 01:07:20,680 something yeah just email just email my 1580 01:07:27,140 --> 01:07:22,839 email is available at Martin at podcast 1581 01:07:32,249 --> 01:07:29,700 all right Jim I just wondered if you had 1582 01:07:33,870 --> 01:07:32,259 any weapons or did you have any other 1583 01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:33,880 questions or it just you wanted to make 1584 01:07:39,959 --> 01:07:37,690 basically make make a statement I've 1585 01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:39,969 also been thinking about the disclosure 1586 01:07:46,190 --> 01:07:44,650 debate and when we with if you follow 1587 01:07:48,420 --> 01:07:46,200 the ufology and you follow the the 1588 01:07:50,430 --> 01:07:48,430 disclosure debate you only hear that one 1589 01:07:52,709 --> 01:07:50,440 side and I thought somebody should 1590 01:07:56,249 --> 01:07:52,719 debate the other side of disclosure I 1591 01:07:58,410 --> 01:07:56,259 thought you know my argument is my 1592 01:08:01,799 --> 01:07:58,420 debate my debating point against 1593 01:08:04,859 --> 01:08:01,809 disclosure is that we humans are really 1594 01:08:08,509 --> 01:08:04,869 messed up you know I mean we are in 1595 01:08:10,469 --> 01:08:08,519 danger of committing our own our own 1596 01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:10,479 genocide of ourselves 1597 01:08:15,709 --> 01:08:13,450 we're extinct ting ourselves in at least 1598 01:08:18,450 --> 01:08:15,719 three different ways or hate I mean it's 1599 01:08:21,079 --> 01:08:18,460 we're we're not doing well on this 1600 01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:21,089 planet at this time and also another 1601 01:08:28,620 --> 01:08:23,770 debating point against the human species 1602 01:08:31,649 --> 01:08:28,630 is that we have been evolving since 1603 01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:31,659 cro-magnon and this can be seen in the 1604 01:08:39,660 --> 01:08:35,440 the bones and so on of the cro-magnon we 1605 01:08:41,669 --> 01:08:39,670 were actually devolving since then and 1606 01:08:45,839 --> 01:08:41,679 I'm into you know biology and all that 1607 01:08:47,849 --> 01:08:45,849 stuff well interesting yeah my Jim I 1608 01:08:50,579 --> 01:08:47,859 have to kind of agree with you on some 1609 01:08:53,729 --> 01:08:50,589 of this disclosure stuff because part of 1610 01:08:56,999 --> 01:08:53,739 the Jacques Vallee or Davis post-effects 1611 01:08:59,849 --> 01:08:57,009 with us a phenomenon is it it changes 1612 01:09:03,990 --> 01:08:59,859 people people have the ability to heal 1613 01:09:06,180 --> 01:09:04,000 people become more prescient 1614 01:09:09,810 --> 01:09:06,190 they suddenly gain talents they didn't 1615 01:09:12,630 --> 01:09:09,820 have before they start to have really 1616 01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:12,640 strange eschatological type dreams I 1617 01:09:16,230 --> 01:09:14,050 could go on and on with some of these 1618 01:09:19,350 --> 01:09:16,240 noted effects now I'm sitting there 1619 01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:19,360 thinking to myself you know what happens 1620 01:09:27,030 --> 01:09:22,330 when seven billion people all start to 1621 01:09:28,650 --> 01:09:27,040 change at once from some from when you 1622 01:09:30,210 --> 01:09:28,660 know assuming that close encounter 1623 01:09:32,010 --> 01:09:30,220 becomes commonplace and the whole world 1624 01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:32,020 starting to witness it now and 1625 01:09:37,650 --> 01:09:33,970 everybody's starting to change as a 1626 01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:37,660 result what happens then is it safe I 1627 01:09:45,300 --> 01:09:42,690 don't I don't have a good answer 1628 01:09:47,070 --> 01:09:45,310 all right well something to think about 1629 01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:47,080 thanks for talking thanks for listening 1630 01:09:52,290 --> 01:09:48,850 thank you every college in contact with 1631 01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:52,300 me Jim yep contact me okay will do all 1632 01:09:56,790 --> 01:09:54,730 right all right all right so that line 1633 01:09:59,370 --> 01:09:56,800 is open again the numbers up on the 1634 01:10:01,380 --> 01:09:59,380 screen and it's and also if you're 1635 01:10:03,330 --> 01:10:01,390 calling in please mute your your 1636 01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:03,340 listening device or your computer just 1637 01:10:08,580 --> 01:10:05,890 so it doesn't feedback through that 1638 01:10:13,230 --> 01:10:08,590 number six oh three nine six seven four 1639 01:10:14,550 --> 01:10:13,240 OH three oh so let's let's talk well we 1640 01:10:18,990 --> 01:10:14,560 got another call coming in and we also 1641 01:10:20,010 --> 01:10:19,000 take it now caller caller you are on the 1642 01:10:24,150 --> 01:10:20,020 line your first name where you're 1643 01:10:26,570 --> 01:10:24,160 calling from hi this is a Timmy from the 1644 01:10:30,530 --> 01:10:26,580 chat actually calling from Toledo Ohio 1645 01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:30,540 my last name looks like f e FF right on 1646 01:10:36,150 --> 01:10:33,850 yeah huge fans and following the show 1647 01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:36,160 for quite a while now I got a question 1648 01:10:45,060 --> 01:10:40,530 for happening yeah go ahead 1649 01:10:47,100 --> 01:10:45,070 okay yeah as far as the on the ship it 1650 01:10:49,350 --> 01:10:47,110 was there any banter back and forth at 1651 01:10:51,630 --> 01:10:49,360 all like when you guys are speculating 1652 01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:51,640 at all I know you said earlier that you 1653 01:10:56,220 --> 01:10:53,530 didn't like to speculate but was there 1654 01:10:58,650 --> 01:10:56,230 any talk of maybe the crafts were 1655 01:11:02,310 --> 01:10:58,660 instead of having any kind of driver or 1656 01:11:07,670 --> 01:11:02,320 anything like that was could be just an 1657 01:11:10,860 --> 01:11:07,680 AI system itself not that I recall I 1658 01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:10,870 don't think we were even we were having 1659 01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:12,970 a very hard time absorbing that it was 1660 01:11:17,820 --> 01:11:15,610 even happening right I don't I don't 1661 01:11:21,150 --> 01:11:17,830 remember any discussion at all about 1662 01:11:23,670 --> 01:11:21,160 UFOs at the time now I was thinking that 1663 01:11:28,140 --> 01:11:23,680 myself but it wasn't something that was 1664 01:11:30,420 --> 01:11:28,150 being discussed right because I I always 1665 01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:30,430 hear about the question of like as fast 1666 01:11:34,380 --> 01:11:32,130 and as quick as they move around 1667 01:11:37,410 --> 01:11:34,390 anything biological would basically be 1668 01:11:41,060 --> 01:11:37,420 mush inside so it would make sense that 1669 01:11:43,710 --> 01:11:41,070 you know it would be either artificially 1670 01:11:48,270 --> 01:11:43,720 intelligently driven or the crash 1671 01:11:51,900 --> 01:11:48,280 telling me doc dr. Jack Sarfati has his 1672 01:11:54,870 --> 01:11:51,910 theory on it is that was actually a a 1673 01:11:57,960 --> 01:11:54,880 post quantum artificial intelligence 1674 01:12:00,360 --> 01:11:57,970 computer surrounded by a whole the 1675 01:12:03,420 --> 01:12:00,370 middle material that actually slows down 1676 01:12:07,380 --> 01:12:03,430 light inside the material itself and it 1677 01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:07,390 has ability to change the local the 1678 01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:11,290 local time-space construct given it the 1679 01:12:15,750 --> 01:12:13,840 abilities that it has interesting and a 1680 01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:15,760 left on the whole thing according to him 1681 01:12:20,060 --> 01:12:17,530 can be run on just a small battery 1682 01:12:22,410 --> 01:12:20,070 doesn't take a lot of power to do this 1683 01:12:26,780 --> 01:12:22,420 so there there are there are people out 1684 01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:26,790 there believe in in speculating I guess 1685 01:12:30,150 --> 01:12:28,570 apparently with some physics and 1686 01:12:32,700 --> 01:12:30,160 mathematics behind it that you could be 1687 01:12:34,710 --> 01:12:32,710 right that there was no biologics and 1688 01:12:36,930 --> 01:12:34,720 these things that with all artificial 1689 01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:36,940 intelligence well you know along those 1690 01:12:41,670 --> 01:12:38,770 same lines I just have to add that you 1691 01:12:46,440 --> 01:12:41,680 know we talked about it not breaking the 1692 01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:46,450 sound barrier no sonic boom in goodbye 1693 01:12:52,890 --> 01:12:51,040 multiple right and also you know that 1694 01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:52,900 doesn't make any sense along with also 1695 01:12:59,190 --> 01:12:56,050 the g-forces and even the g-forces with 1696 01:13:02,450 --> 01:12:59,200 an AI artificial intelligence it would 1697 01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:02,460 seem like it would scramble a lot of 1698 01:13:06,210 --> 01:13:04,480 with the type of movements that would 1699 01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:06,220 scramble a lot of what we could build 1700 01:13:13,500 --> 01:13:08,650 today couldn't take that G right 1701 01:13:16,230 --> 01:13:13,510 circuitry yeah right is that you know I 1702 01:13:19,650 --> 01:13:16,240 will just just a little more to add to 1703 01:13:23,450 --> 01:13:19,660 that just real quick let you go the the 1704 01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:23,460 oh my god 1705 01:13:30,940 --> 01:13:25,690 once I'm putting on the spot I kind of 1706 01:13:37,890 --> 01:13:33,670 the crafts themselves now you said that 1707 01:13:41,140 --> 01:13:37,900 during the nimitz incident there was 1708 01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:41,150 like multiple crafts but what we heard 1709 01:13:47,140 --> 01:13:44,000 about was the actual craft that a Dave 1710 01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:47,150 flavor that that's his name yeah Dave 1711 01:13:53,470 --> 01:13:48,890 raver yeah that's correct 1712 01:13:56,620 --> 01:13:53,480 yeah what he encountered what were the 1713 01:14:00,280 --> 01:13:56,630 Black Aces at the time here right now 1714 01:14:03,490 --> 01:14:00,290 was that the tic-tac craft was that 1715 01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:03,500 basically what you're saying earlier was 1716 01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:06,290 that part of that that a grouping of 1717 01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:08,690 crafts or was that separate and 1718 01:14:14,230 --> 01:14:11,810 absolutely yeah at the time I did I 1719 01:14:15,700 --> 01:14:14,240 breathe Captain Smith and he gave me the 1720 01:14:17,110 --> 01:14:15,710 go-ahead to intercept and at that time I 1721 01:14:19,630 --> 01:14:17,120 think there was probably six of those 1722 01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:19,640 objects airborne I just I picked the 1723 01:14:24,130 --> 01:14:21,290 closest one to him and we vectored him 1724 01:14:26,170 --> 01:14:24,140 over there so he intercepted one but out 1725 01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:26,180 of six that were out there at the time I 1726 01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:30,530 believe I made it all right yeah the 1727 01:14:34,810 --> 01:14:32,810 whole thing's fascinating thank you very 1728 01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:34,820 much Martin all right thanks a lot 1729 01:14:38,530 --> 01:14:36,610 we have another caller on the line you 1730 01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:38,540 thanks a lot thank you get it delayed 1731 01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:40,850 right thank you 1732 01:14:46,330 --> 01:14:42,890 we have another call your first name and 1733 01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:48,370 hi John welcome to the show you have a 1734 01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:51,890 question for our guest yeah yeah 1735 01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:53,690 I just want a quick question for Kevin 1736 01:14:57,940 --> 01:14:55,610 Kevin thanks so much for coming forward 1737 01:15:01,300 --> 01:14:57,950 that was that was on welcome John you've 1738 01:15:03,790 --> 01:15:01,310 done I really respect what you did being 1739 01:15:05,770 --> 01:15:03,800 that I'm sure it was hard to do but you 1740 01:15:07,930 --> 01:15:05,780 did the right thing in my opinion quick 1741 01:15:11,020 --> 01:15:07,940 question for you my understanding is 1742 01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:11,030 when David for ever landed his jet that 1743 01:15:15,210 --> 01:15:12,890 the next team that went up is the one 1744 01:15:20,020 --> 01:15:15,220 that actually took the video that we saw 1745 01:15:22,450 --> 01:15:20,030 that's Graham yeah and so did that they 1746 01:15:23,710 --> 01:15:22,460 head up to the cap point does that in 1747 01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:23,720 other words because that's the last 1748 01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:26,090 known location when David forever had to 1749 01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:28,370 go back to the ship I guess for fuel is 1750 01:15:32,890 --> 01:15:30,530 that were they found and and and 1751 01:15:34,810 --> 01:15:32,900 recorded that video or did they just get 1752 01:15:39,190 --> 01:15:34,820 other instructions from you guys on 1753 01:15:42,220 --> 01:15:39,200 where the where the object was they took 1754 01:15:44,919 --> 01:15:42,230 off on a on an autonomous intercept all 1755 01:15:47,649 --> 01:15:44,929 on their own the you know we have the 1756 01:15:48,910 --> 01:15:47,659 data links and we share all the radar so 1757 01:15:52,540 --> 01:15:48,920 that he was basically looking at the 1758 01:15:54,790 --> 01:15:52,550 same same type of symbology that I'm 1759 01:15:56,290 --> 01:15:54,800 looking at on the ship so he just 1760 01:15:58,870 --> 01:15:56,300 dropped he just drove to what you saw 1761 01:16:01,720 --> 01:15:58,880 one and made his own intercept at that 1762 01:16:04,180 --> 01:16:01,730 point awesome okay I just wondered about 1763 01:16:05,770 --> 01:16:04,190 that I appreciate your info on that once 1764 01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:05,780 again thanks a lot have a good time at 1765 01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:07,370 that conference Kevin appreciate your 1766 01:16:11,260 --> 01:16:09,770 coming Thank You Jones again yeah thanks 1767 01:16:14,470 --> 01:16:11,270 for departing in the question appreciate 1768 01:16:16,450 --> 01:16:14,480 thanks Martin thank you thank you John 1769 01:16:19,990 --> 01:16:16,460 alright so the lines open that numbers 1770 01:16:22,630 --> 01:16:20,000 up on the screen and just one thing that 1771 01:16:23,950 --> 01:16:22,640 was felt a little bit confused about and 1772 01:16:26,350 --> 01:16:23,960 maybe can clear this up real quickly 1773 01:16:31,149 --> 01:16:26,360 there was at one point where there was a 1774 01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:31,159 merge on radar where the object and the 1775 01:16:39,729 --> 01:16:36,530 say Dave for a verse jet just appeared 1776 01:16:42,490 --> 01:16:39,739 to merge in one location and he couldn't 1777 01:16:45,100 --> 01:16:42,500 see anything is it just because of the 1778 01:16:49,180 --> 01:16:45,110 altitude he was at that he didn't see 1779 01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:49,190 the object I believe it was a function 1780 01:16:54,580 --> 01:16:52,489 of the altitude because basically I've 1781 01:16:58,090 --> 01:16:54,590 merged emerged when I when I say merged 1782 01:16:59,320 --> 01:16:58,100 plot on the radio is basically the 1783 01:17:00,729 --> 01:16:59,330 object that we're trying to intercept 1784 01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:00,739 and the interceptor is in the same 1785 01:17:05,740 --> 01:17:04,130 vertical piece of sky mhm and so from 1786 01:17:08,229 --> 01:17:05,750 the radar perspective it looks like one 1787 01:17:10,209 --> 01:17:08,239 one blob of radar now they kind of 1788 01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:10,219 merged together and I think when that 1789 01:17:14,140 --> 01:17:12,050 happened he was probably still up around 1790 01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:14,150 14,000 feet and the object was down at 1791 01:17:19,540 --> 01:17:17,330 50 by then and it was only 47 feet so he 1792 01:17:22,390 --> 01:17:19,550 probably didn't actually see it til he 1793 01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:22,400 went a little bit lower I see Kelly 1794 01:17:26,020 --> 01:17:23,690 you know chased it down to the surface 1795 01:17:28,090 --> 01:17:26,030 of the ocean now you said there were 1796 01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:28,100 many objects that actually went from 1797 01:17:33,610 --> 01:17:30,650 this 28,000 feet all the way down to 1798 01:17:38,830 --> 01:17:33,620 right above the ocean is that correct 1799 01:17:40,090 --> 01:17:38,840 did they did yeah like that the second 1800 01:17:43,780 --> 01:17:40,100 flight that took off that actually took 1801 01:17:44,740 --> 01:17:43,790 the now-famous video other aircraft were 1802 01:17:46,570 --> 01:17:44,750 launching off to carry everything 1803 01:17:48,459 --> 01:17:46,580 everyone's doing these intercepts and 1804 01:17:50,010 --> 01:17:48,469 all this all of a sudden these objects 1805 01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:50,020 just started dropping now this guy's 1806 01:17:55,090 --> 01:17:52,159 tu-tu-tu-tu-tu is like it was like it 1807 01:17:58,300 --> 01:17:55,100 was raining UFOs for a second or you 1808 01:17:59,440 --> 01:17:58,310 know for a couple of minutes and in the 1809 01:18:01,960 --> 01:17:59,450 you know the radios just going berserk 1810 01:18:03,970 --> 01:18:01,970 by this point everyone's talking and 1811 01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:03,980 yelling can't believe what's happening 1812 01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:07,250 and I but as soon as they broke off 1813 01:18:11,440 --> 01:18:09,410 Brokaw pursued these objects all came 1814 01:18:13,870 --> 01:18:11,450 back off the surface of the ocean back 1815 01:18:17,110 --> 01:18:13,880 up to 28,000 feet and just kept going 1816 01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:17,120 south at 100 knots you didn't want to be 1817 01:18:21,490 --> 01:18:18,890 bug isn't that something 1818 01:18:26,190 --> 01:18:21,500 now when you actually you actually have 1819 01:18:30,820 --> 01:18:26,200 the images up on radar are you saying 1820 01:18:32,710 --> 01:18:30,830 it's roughly at 28,000 feet or what what 1821 01:18:35,290 --> 01:18:32,720 I'm getting at here what I'm wondering 1822 01:18:38,590 --> 01:18:35,300 is if there was a pattern where they 1823 01:18:41,020 --> 01:18:38,600 would actually go down to a certain 1824 01:18:43,390 --> 01:18:41,030 level and go back to a certain level if 1825 01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:43,400 it was like if they were at going right 1826 01:18:49,810 --> 01:18:46,970 to 28,000 400 feet or something each 1827 01:18:54,550 --> 01:18:49,820 time or is there is there a variable 1828 01:18:59,110 --> 01:18:54,560 there I best of my memory they were all 1829 01:19:00,700 --> 01:18:59,120 at 20,000 feet 100 dots well I don't I 1830 01:19:03,820 --> 01:19:00,710 don't remember the exact altitude it 1831 01:19:07,210 --> 01:19:03,830 could have been 20 8422 or whatever but 1832 01:19:09,610 --> 01:19:07,220 it was 28,000 feet or so yeah right 1833 01:19:11,230 --> 01:19:09,620 right in that piece of airspace but 1834 01:19:14,890 --> 01:19:11,240 there was more or less a pattern going 1835 01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:14,900 on it seemed oh yeah yeah yeah over that 1836 01:19:19,930 --> 01:19:16,970 from the about the 10th to the 16th in 1837 01:19:23,890 --> 01:19:19,940 November they appeared on the radar in 1838 01:19:25,770 --> 01:19:23,900 groups of between 5 and 10 and my rough 1839 01:19:28,660 --> 01:19:25,780 count is about a hundred all together 1840 01:19:31,480 --> 01:19:28,670 over the course of several days if I 1841 01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:31,490 added them all up and all of them 1842 01:19:35,650 --> 01:19:33,890 appeared off the coast of Catalina 1843 01:19:38,350 --> 01:19:35,660 Island right there in the Channel 1844 01:19:39,490 --> 01:19:38,360 Islands and they all were about 28,000 1845 01:19:42,580 --> 01:19:39,500 feet and they are all going about 1846 01:19:44,740 --> 01:19:42,590 hundred knots track himself so there was 1847 01:19:47,220 --> 01:19:44,750 definitely a pattern in fact to look at 1848 01:19:50,350 --> 01:19:47,230 them on a radar scope if you can imagine 1849 01:19:53,110 --> 01:19:50,360 snow falling on a calm day or snowflakes 1850 01:19:55,270 --> 01:19:53,120 all kind of they stay relative to each 1851 01:19:56,710 --> 01:19:55,280 other they don't kind of move up they 1852 01:19:58,150 --> 01:19:56,720 don't get closer or farther apart they 1853 01:19:59,680 --> 01:19:58,160 just kind of fall out of the sky towards 1854 01:20:01,410 --> 01:19:59,690 the ground that's kind of what these 1855 01:20:04,150 --> 01:20:01,420 objects look like on radar 1856 01:20:04,450 --> 01:20:04,160 hmm as you can imagine that they're just 1857 01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:04,460 um 1858 01:20:07,780 --> 01:20:06,050 they say tech would just it from each 1859 01:20:09,670 --> 01:20:07,790 other and just kind of track from north 1860 01:20:11,770 --> 01:20:09,680 to south on the radar on the display you 1861 01:20:12,390 --> 01:20:11,780 know from the top of this play down to 1862 01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:12,400 the bottom 1863 01:20:18,010 --> 01:20:16,489 hmm well now you probably may or may not 1864 01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:18,020 be aware of this but there's been a lot 1865 01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:20,810 of activity around Catalina Island have 1866 01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:23,890 you have you ever heard about that I 1867 01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:27,170 wasn't aware of that really in total 1868 01:20:30,220 --> 01:20:28,850 about a year ago and since then I've 1869 01:20:32,710 --> 01:20:30,230 done my own research and I have 1870 01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:32,720 discovered a lot about it and in fact 1871 01:20:36,970 --> 01:20:34,970 there is um I guess it's a common place 1872 01:20:38,590 --> 01:20:36,980 for underwater some other surface 1873 01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:38,600 objects USO sightings 1874 01:20:43,330 --> 01:20:41,810 that's right yeah and there's lots of 1875 01:20:45,850 --> 01:20:43,340 other UFO sightings in that area 1876 01:20:47,410 --> 01:20:45,860 yeah there's analyzed notice it's all 1877 01:20:49,660 --> 01:20:47,420 new kind of all moved to me actually 1878 01:20:51,790 --> 01:20:49,670 sure yeah it was the first time I'd ever 1879 01:20:54,610 --> 01:20:51,800 seen anything like that you know I was 1880 01:20:57,220 --> 01:20:54,620 on three ages shifts um two of them were 1881 01:20:59,590 --> 01:20:57,230 out of San Diego site I had a many many 1882 01:21:01,450 --> 01:20:59,600 many many many many hours I can't even I 1883 01:21:02,860 --> 01:21:01,460 don't want to remember how many hours 1884 01:21:05,620 --> 01:21:02,870 I'd spent on the out there in the 1885 01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:05,630 Southern California operating areas you 1886 01:21:09,550 --> 01:21:06,770 know because you get beat up pretty good 1887 01:21:12,190 --> 01:21:09,560 you're always under way I had never seen 1888 01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:12,200 anything like that in that area previous 1889 01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:15,170 to this yeah yeah one other thing you 1890 01:21:21,940 --> 01:21:17,930 know comes to mind did on the Princeton 1891 01:21:23,710 --> 01:21:21,950 did you have you probably had sonar 1892 01:21:27,100 --> 01:21:23,720 going on as well didn't you for 1893 01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:27,110 underwater or not absolutely yeah we had 1894 01:21:31,660 --> 01:21:29,810 sonar was up yeah I don't think we were 1895 01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:31,670 actively pinging at the time that we 1896 01:21:37,410 --> 01:21:35,120 were definitely listening as as far as I 1897 01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:37,420 know there was no detections made yeah 1898 01:21:44,820 --> 01:21:42,410 yeah now we also had the USS Louisville 1899 01:21:46,810 --> 01:21:44,830 out there from what I understand and 1900 01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:46,820 I've heard through the grapevine that 1901 01:21:53,260 --> 01:21:48,650 they didn't detect anything either 1902 01:21:54,820 --> 01:21:53,270 they've admitted to mm-hmm so let's 1903 01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:54,830 let's talk a little bit about the 1904 01:21:59,170 --> 01:21:57,410 aftermath because I know that there was 1905 01:22:02,260 --> 01:21:59,180 a little bit of ridicule 1906 01:22:04,540 --> 01:22:02,270 David flavor had mentioned it that you 1907 01:22:06,010 --> 01:22:04,550 know just a little teasing and I guess 1908 01:22:09,100 --> 01:22:06,020 there was a little pamphlet that came 1909 01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:09,110 out the ship's pamphlet on the Nimitz 1910 01:22:12,430 --> 01:22:10,489 itself that came out that had like 1911 01:22:16,030 --> 01:22:12,440 aliens on it the next day or something a 1912 01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:16,040 little newsletter would sir yes sir any 1913 01:22:24,190 --> 01:22:18,890 of that happening as far as what was 1914 01:22:25,660 --> 01:22:24,200 going on in your room no no wait I'm 1915 01:22:26,590 --> 01:22:25,670 Boyd the person there nothing like that 1916 01:22:28,330 --> 01:22:26,600 happened we 1917 01:22:30,850 --> 01:22:28,340 we were all direct witnesses we all 1918 01:22:34,870 --> 01:22:30,860 everyone in combat in from a combat 1919 01:22:37,870 --> 01:22:34,880 Information Center at the time si se we 1920 01:22:39,610 --> 01:22:37,880 were all direct witnesses and we we know 1921 01:22:40,990 --> 01:22:39,620 what we saw I mean we these were real 1922 01:22:44,410 --> 01:22:41,000 objects they were really there and it 1923 01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:44,420 really really happened yeah and how many 1924 01:22:50,170 --> 01:22:47,930 backup I know that the you're talking 1925 01:22:52,300 --> 01:22:50,180 about the hawk I didn't it didn't show 1926 01:22:55,330 --> 01:22:52,310 up on their radar or did briefly or 1927 01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:55,340 something but how many others from what 1928 01:22:58,510 --> 01:22:56,930 I understand it did it did it did show 1929 01:23:00,340 --> 01:22:58,520 up briefly but they were having trouble 1930 01:23:02,740 --> 01:23:00,350 tracking it the whole time motives which 1931 01:23:03,970 --> 01:23:02,750 is when it all first started I was just 1932 01:23:05,860 --> 01:23:03,980 going to let them consummate the 1933 01:23:07,930 --> 01:23:05,870 intercept because they were already 1934 01:23:10,690 --> 01:23:07,940 talking to the fast Eagle flight I 1935 01:23:11,830 --> 01:23:10,700 already had him up under control that 1936 01:23:13,420 --> 01:23:11,840 they weren't they weren't seeing the 1937 01:23:15,100 --> 01:23:13,430 object on the radar at the time so I 1938 01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:15,110 that's when we took control on the 1939 01:23:19,210 --> 01:23:16,970 Princeton and the vector to commander 1940 01:23:20,890 --> 01:23:19,220 flavor over there now is that it from 1941 01:23:23,350 --> 01:23:20,900 when I understand the hawk I'd had 1942 01:23:26,290 --> 01:23:23,360 intermittent contact on it and they also 1943 01:23:29,230 --> 01:23:26,300 had visual they saw it up there's a 1944 01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:29,240 little window on the side of the eetu we 1945 01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:30,530 was on the port side but I could be 1946 01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:32,330 wrong could be on the starboard side and 1947 01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:34,250 it's normally covered up for radiation 1948 01:23:37,540 --> 01:23:36,410 but they they have a special screen you 1949 01:23:39,070 --> 01:23:37,550 can put over you can look outside I 1950 01:23:40,540 --> 01:23:39,080 guess they did that and they they saw 1951 01:23:43,090 --> 01:23:40,550 one of these things come right down the 1952 01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:43,100 fuselage never what the whole aircrew 1953 01:23:48,820 --> 01:23:46,730 side Wow and were they all everyone 1954 01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:48,830 describing the same exact type of object 1955 01:23:53,770 --> 01:23:50,690 the tic-tac white colored thing with a 1956 01:23:55,810 --> 01:23:53,780 little antennas on the bottom I I 1957 01:23:59,700 --> 01:23:55,820 haven't heard any other description 1958 01:24:02,620 --> 01:23:59,710 other than that actually yeah yeah and 1959 01:24:05,140 --> 01:24:02,630 you know one could speculate where did 1960 01:24:08,470 --> 01:24:05,150 where were all these things did all 1961 01:24:10,450 --> 01:24:08,480 these things go on I'm almost scared to 1962 01:24:12,460 --> 01:24:10,460 say the word but some type of mothership 1963 01:24:14,380 --> 01:24:12,470 or something you know it just makes you 1964 01:24:17,650 --> 01:24:14,390 wonder it were why there would be so 1965 01:24:19,930 --> 01:24:17,660 many of them and where they would be but 1966 01:24:21,550 --> 01:24:19,940 you're the information you gave a minute 1967 01:24:27,130 --> 01:24:21,560 ago of someone's theory I thought was 1968 01:24:29,650 --> 01:24:27,140 very interesting you know who knows this 1969 01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:29,660 is all speculation really it's just a 1970 01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:33,370 fascinating fascinating situation 1971 01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:35,330 well it's good it's good that we 1972 01:24:38,830 --> 01:24:37,130 recognize it it's speculation and we're 1973 01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:38,840 saying that out front because either I 1974 01:24:43,750 --> 01:24:40,370 don't want my I don't want 1975 01:24:46,750 --> 01:24:43,760 my story my message discredited because 1976 01:24:48,550 --> 01:24:46,760 I'm speculating mmm which happens I mean 1977 01:24:50,710 --> 01:24:48,560 as soon as I say that I think these were 1978 01:24:52,060 --> 01:24:50,720 UFOs and no one's gonna listen to the 1979 01:24:53,860 --> 01:24:52,070 nuts and bolts part of this they're 1980 01:24:56,650 --> 01:24:53,870 gonna discredit that it even happened 1981 01:24:58,780 --> 01:24:56,660 perhaps yeah so I just like to stay away 1982 01:25:01,690 --> 01:24:58,790 from that whole there's other people a 1983 01:25:03,610 --> 01:25:01,700 lot more qualified than me that can do 1984 01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:03,620 that and I think it is being done 1985 01:25:09,610 --> 01:25:06,650 actually well you know the the the word 1986 01:25:11,710 --> 01:25:09,620 you know just like this show podcast UFO 1987 01:25:14,230 --> 01:25:11,720 the word UFO just means unidentified 1988 01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:14,240 flying object however I know the 1989 01:25:17,860 --> 01:25:17,210 connotation of that you know people a 1990 01:25:20,110 --> 01:25:17,870 lot of baggage 1991 01:25:22,180 --> 01:25:20,120 yeah a lot of people think we're off the 1992 01:25:26,410 --> 01:25:22,190 yeah if I could go back in time I named 1993 01:25:29,410 --> 01:25:26,420 the show something else but anyway 1994 01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:29,420 that's a it works the way it is but you 1995 01:25:37,750 --> 01:25:35,570 know it's it is an unidentified flying 1996 01:25:39,250 --> 01:25:37,760 object but people just assume that 1997 01:25:41,020 --> 01:25:39,260 you're talking about flying saucers and 1998 01:25:44,260 --> 01:25:41,030 you know a little green men and all the 1999 01:25:47,590 --> 01:25:44,270 aliens yeah we have another caller 2000 01:25:50,980 --> 01:25:47,600 coming in caller you're on the line your 2001 01:25:53,620 --> 01:25:50,990 first name where you calling from I'm 2002 01:25:56,230 --> 01:25:53,630 ray Stanford ray College Park Maryland 2003 01:26:00,370 --> 01:25:56,240 oh right Stanford's on the line this is 2004 01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:00,380 a tree well I'm the same guy I enjoy 2005 01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:03,770 well an excuse below already here hi 2006 01:26:07,770 --> 01:26:04,930 there 2007 01:26:10,900 --> 01:26:07,780 you got a you got a question from Kevin 2008 01:26:13,770 --> 01:26:10,910 well I I actually I wanted to in first 2009 01:26:17,440 --> 01:26:13,780 place I wanted to commend him for his 2010 01:26:20,230 --> 01:26:17,450 what his real objectivity and fairness 2011 01:26:22,390 --> 01:26:20,240 and presenting what he has personally 2012 01:26:25,930 --> 01:26:22,400 experienced it it's it's rare to see 2013 01:26:28,870 --> 01:26:25,940 such good honest objectivity and and and 2014 01:26:31,510 --> 01:26:28,880 caution I'm really impressed with that 2015 01:26:33,490 --> 01:26:31,520 and all those there may be those out 2016 01:26:36,190 --> 01:26:33,500 there who feel that his discussion of 2017 01:26:38,170 --> 01:26:36,200 the bizarre way that these experiences 2018 01:26:41,650 --> 01:26:38,180 can affect people that may feel that 2019 01:26:44,620 --> 01:26:41,660 that's where my field I want to ask if 2020 01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:44,630 he might like to hear me tell in a 2021 01:26:48,130 --> 01:26:46,970 condensed way briefly a strange 2022 01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:48,140 encounter there's some young lady 2023 01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:50,570 college students down in at a university 2024 01:26:54,550 --> 01:26:53,360 down in Texas had with some bizarre 2025 01:26:56,140 --> 01:26:54,560 aftereffects 2026 01:26:58,840 --> 01:26:56,150 would you like to Gavin would you like 2027 01:27:00,490 --> 01:26:58,850 to hear a brief account of I would 2028 01:27:02,440 --> 01:27:00,500 absolutely love to hear it because this 2029 01:27:03,370 --> 01:27:02,450 is this is part of this story that truly 2030 01:27:07,030 --> 01:27:03,380 fascinates me 2031 01:27:08,950 --> 01:27:07,040 well good here's what happened up for 2032 01:27:11,710 --> 01:27:08,960 years I've involved with an organization 2033 01:27:14,230 --> 01:27:11,720 using instruments electronic and optical 2034 01:27:16,300 --> 01:27:14,240 to track these things and as a result I 2035 01:27:18,610 --> 01:27:16,310 got a call from a college student and 2036 01:27:21,700 --> 01:27:18,620 she asked if she was living in San 2037 01:27:23,830 --> 01:27:21,710 Marcos with the school was and she asked 2038 01:27:26,290 --> 01:27:23,840 if she could come down and talk to me 2039 01:27:28,090 --> 01:27:26,300 about something really kind of spooky 2040 01:27:30,550 --> 01:27:28,100 that had happened to herself and to 2041 01:27:34,060 --> 01:27:30,560 other college girls and I said sure what 2042 01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:34,070 she came and she said that this happened 2043 01:27:39,010 --> 01:27:36,530 on the evening before the next day when 2044 01:27:40,660 --> 01:27:39,020 they were exams that they had to take 2045 01:27:43,300 --> 01:27:40,670 and they decide to go out and have a 2046 01:27:45,610 --> 01:27:43,310 hamburger and drive around procrastinate 2047 01:27:48,070 --> 01:27:45,620 studying which I suppose is natural and 2048 01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:48,080 they did but they got into something 2049 01:27:52,060 --> 01:27:50,090 they didn't intend to get into she had 2050 01:27:53,940 --> 01:27:52,070 never really been interested in these 2051 01:27:56,440 --> 01:27:53,950 objects and this kind of thing and 2052 01:27:58,510 --> 01:27:56,450 they're they're driving out there and an 2053 01:28:00,340 --> 01:27:58,520 object that she thought was probably 2054 01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:00,350 about 20 feet across I think it had a 2055 01:28:05,770 --> 01:28:02,210 lot of red light display on it 2056 01:28:07,330 --> 01:28:05,780 approached them and I'm going to cut out 2057 01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:07,340 part of the store because make it short 2058 01:28:12,820 --> 01:28:10,730 for you they were floated off the 2059 01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:12,830 highway this got very scary they 2060 01:28:17,020 --> 01:28:15,170 couldn't control the car and she said 2061 01:28:18,490 --> 01:28:17,030 that it was weird because during this 2062 01:28:21,190 --> 01:28:18,500 time where they felt like they're off 2063 01:28:23,350 --> 01:28:21,200 the highway that it the car felt like it 2064 01:28:24,700 --> 01:28:23,360 was vibrating maybe about ten Hertz or 2065 01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:24,710 something like that but anyway burger 2066 01:28:29,980 --> 01:28:28,130 kind of vibration and they were just 2067 01:28:33,130 --> 01:28:29,990 scared they didn't know what to do well 2068 01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:33,140 it turns out eventually they were set 2069 01:28:38,980 --> 01:28:34,850 back down fortunately on the highway and 2070 01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:38,990 they they were just shaken up and they 2071 01:28:44,110 --> 01:28:41,930 the next thing they realized is that it 2072 01:28:45,480 --> 01:28:44,120 was really a lot later than the time 2073 01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:45,490 they had planned to spend 2074 01:28:52,300 --> 01:28:48,170 procrastinating in fact more than two 2075 01:28:54,130 --> 01:28:52,310 hours had passed and they they've got to 2076 01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:54,140 go back into the norm so they this was 2077 01:28:59,200 --> 01:28:56,090 in days when they had women's dorm and 2078 01:29:01,540 --> 01:28:59,210 and it was locked up I think it was 11 2079 01:29:04,150 --> 01:29:01,550 p.m. and so they would have to ring for 2080 01:29:06,340 --> 01:29:04,160 the the dorm mother to come in and let 2081 01:29:08,300 --> 01:29:06,350 them in well here's what happened on the 2082 01:29:10,190 --> 01:29:08,310 way back and they they were way out 2083 01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:10,200 from from San Marcos and they took more 2084 01:29:13,700 --> 01:29:12,090 to get back they noticed something 2085 01:29:15,710 --> 01:29:13,710 they'd never experienced in their lives 2086 01:29:18,950 --> 01:29:15,720 and this will ring a bell with you 2087 01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:18,960 they've suddenly began to realize that 2088 01:29:23,540 --> 01:29:21,330 they could talk to each other with 2089 01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:23,550 thoughts without voicing it aloud and 2090 01:29:28,100 --> 01:29:26,250 this really it thrilled them but it 2091 01:29:30,620 --> 01:29:28,110 really kind of spooked them out it was 2092 01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:30,630 just too strange for them and then as 2093 01:29:35,150 --> 01:29:33,570 they drove along they begin to notice 2094 01:29:36,740 --> 01:29:35,160 something else and this sounds men 2095 01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:36,750 believe me I can assure this is true 2096 01:29:42,590 --> 01:29:40,650 story these girls got pretty shaken up 2097 01:29:44,990 --> 01:29:42,600 because they realized that there was a 2098 01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:45,000 soft glow coming out of the people of 2099 01:29:50,150 --> 01:29:48,090 their eyes now there is research with 2100 01:29:51,890 --> 01:29:50,160 some my set of read about with microwave 2101 01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:51,900 it colors the mesh to glow so one might 2102 01:29:55,370 --> 01:29:53,250 say maybe they were subjected to 2103 01:29:57,070 --> 01:29:55,380 microwave somehow but anyway without 2104 01:30:00,110 --> 01:29:57,080 trying to explain it without evidence 2105 01:30:01,820 --> 01:30:00,120 they were quite concerned about ringing 2106 01:30:03,440 --> 01:30:01,830 for the darn mother their eyes were 2107 01:30:08,210 --> 01:30:03,450 glowing like the children in the movie 2108 01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:08,220 the village and and it must have a line 2109 01:30:14,180 --> 01:30:10,770 there yeah yeah yeah okay 2110 01:30:17,060 --> 01:30:14,190 and jump okay and anyway here's what 2111 01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:17,070 happened rang and she was freaked out I 2112 01:30:21,350 --> 01:30:18,810 mean these girls eyes were going they 2113 01:30:23,330 --> 01:30:21,360 went up their room and they continued 2114 01:30:25,820 --> 01:30:23,340 they couldn't sleep for several hours to 2115 01:30:28,370 --> 01:30:25,830 just talking to each other this 2116 01:30:31,430 --> 01:30:28,380 telepathic communication so that that 2117 01:30:33,890 --> 01:30:31,440 was that was that well two years later I 2118 01:30:37,130 --> 01:30:33,900 got a call from a man from Louisiana 2119 01:30:39,890 --> 01:30:37,140 named Lewis green and he said ray I'm in 2120 01:30:41,450 --> 01:30:39,900 town in Austin here with my boss and I 2121 01:30:43,970 --> 01:30:41,460 told him about that experience those 2122 01:30:46,700 --> 01:30:43,980 girls had down procrastinating studying 2123 01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:46,710 for their tests and could you could we 2124 01:30:51,140 --> 01:30:48,810 meet you for dinner call that young lady 2125 01:30:53,570 --> 01:30:51,150 and ask her to come over and tell us 2126 01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:53,580 about what happened I said there's a 2127 01:30:57,200 --> 01:30:54,170 problem 2128 01:30:58,790 --> 01:30:57,210 Louis the truth of matter is that she 2129 01:31:00,320 --> 01:30:58,800 got married a few months after this I 2130 01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:00,330 don't know her married name this was 2131 01:31:05,450 --> 01:31:03,930 before everybody had cell phones and and 2132 01:31:08,450 --> 01:31:05,460 and so I I just don't know how to 2133 01:31:10,910 --> 01:31:08,460 contact her I said well look you know 2134 01:31:12,470 --> 01:31:10,920 just saves your hotel I'll come over I 2135 01:31:16,190 --> 01:31:12,480 have dinner and I'll tell it as best I 2136 01:31:18,020 --> 01:31:16,200 can tell it from from memory now so we 2137 01:31:20,540 --> 01:31:18,030 went to the hotel and we're talking I'm 2138 01:31:21,649 --> 01:31:20,550 trying to tell this story and the the 2139 01:31:23,330 --> 01:31:21,659 person that sees 2140 01:31:25,370 --> 01:31:23,340 people brought a couple over that I 2141 01:31:27,859 --> 01:31:25,380 didn't recognize to sit kind of next to 2142 01:31:31,459 --> 01:31:27,869 us right right like that closes table 2143 01:31:34,879 --> 01:31:31,469 two hours and we continued talking and 2144 01:31:36,589 --> 01:31:34,889 after maybe eight minutes or so the lady 2145 01:31:39,830 --> 01:31:36,599 got up and walked over to me and said 2146 01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:39,840 pardon me or you raised Stanford and I 2147 01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:41,610 said yes I am do I know you your face 2148 01:31:48,350 --> 01:31:45,449 looks vaguely familiar she said yes I am 2149 01:31:50,629 --> 01:31:48,360 and she was the girl that had called me 2150 01:31:53,209 --> 01:31:50,639 and come to Austin and told me the story 2151 01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:53,219 and let me tell you that I almost 2152 01:31:59,120 --> 01:31:55,530 dropped out of my chair in an absolute 2153 01:32:01,429 --> 01:31:59,130 shock and Lou Green and his boss I mean 2154 01:32:02,870 --> 01:32:01,439 their mouths dropped how did they get 2155 01:32:04,939 --> 01:32:02,880 there you understand this maybe from 2156 01:32:07,429 --> 01:32:04,949 things you've experienced I said it 2157 01:32:09,919 --> 01:32:07,439 bothers me to this day it makes you feel 2158 01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:09,929 that in some way there are some other 2159 01:32:14,659 --> 01:32:12,449 saying Force intelligence or something 2160 01:32:16,549 --> 01:32:14,669 that is manipulating things around that 2161 01:32:18,739 --> 01:32:16,559 that are beyond your own personal 2162 01:32:20,679 --> 01:32:18,749 conscious capability and I wanted to 2163 01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:20,689 share that it's a real experience and 2164 01:32:24,830 --> 01:32:23,610 it's just one tiny example of the things 2165 01:32:27,199 --> 01:32:24,840 in my involvement this over the years 2166 01:32:29,149 --> 01:32:27,209 that that I've encountered and that 2167 01:32:32,209 --> 01:32:29,159 other people have told me about so I 2168 01:32:36,589 --> 01:32:32,219 wanted to share it that's great yeah and 2169 01:32:39,020 --> 01:32:36,599 that you serendipity is one of the 2170 01:32:41,270 --> 01:32:39,030 things that happens the post encounter 2171 01:32:42,350 --> 01:32:41,280 with a lot of people this things that 2172 01:32:44,270 --> 01:32:42,360 are yes indeed it's like you just 2173 01:32:46,399 --> 01:32:44,280 described I mean there's no explanation 2174 01:32:49,459 --> 01:32:46,409 for that other than the fact that it 2175 01:32:51,169 --> 01:32:49,469 happened yes right and I mean you can 2176 01:32:53,390 --> 01:32:51,179 you've probably had this happening our 2177 01:32:55,609 --> 01:32:53,400 feeling at the table that night I mean 2178 01:32:57,020 --> 01:32:55,619 we were all I'm sure that my job must 2179 01:32:59,149 --> 01:32:57,030 have dropped drugged 2180 01:33:01,669 --> 01:32:59,159 further down it's ever happened in my 2181 01:33:03,259 --> 01:33:01,679 life because it was just too much I mean 2182 01:33:05,029 --> 01:33:03,269 after all a couple's been married two 2183 01:33:06,949 --> 01:33:05,039 years what couples in May or two years 2184 01:33:09,890 --> 01:33:06,959 choose to go to a relatively mediocre 2185 01:33:10,429 --> 01:33:09,900 restaurant in a in a in a hotel they 2186 01:33:12,919 --> 01:33:10,439 have dinner 2187 01:33:16,069 --> 01:33:12,929 you just don't how did they end up there 2188 01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:16,079 I wish I knew yes so anyways thank you 2189 01:33:20,270 --> 01:33:18,449 for incredible thing and thanks for all 2190 01:33:20,899 --> 01:33:20,280 the storage is what that's it's real 2191 01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:20,909 fascinating 2192 01:33:25,299 --> 01:33:22,530 okay I'll hang oh you're very welcome 2193 01:33:28,699 --> 01:33:25,309 all right ray you take care thank you 2194 01:33:32,689 --> 01:33:28,709 that was an amazing story yeah yeah 2195 01:33:35,300 --> 01:33:32,699 isn't that something Wow Wow yeah so I'm 2196 01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:35,310 wondering have you 2197 01:33:39,950 --> 01:33:38,010 have you actually brought any of this up 2198 01:33:42,410 --> 01:33:39,960 to any of the other witnesses that 2199 01:33:43,460 --> 01:33:42,420 you've talked with that asking them I 2200 01:33:46,700 --> 01:33:43,470 mean it would be kind of a hard question 2201 01:33:51,410 --> 01:33:46,710 to ask to begin with but the but the 2202 01:33:55,550 --> 01:33:51,420 post-effects right I I have talked a lot 2203 01:33:57,460 --> 01:33:55,560 about it myself um and I've heard rumors 2204 01:33:59,240 --> 01:33:57,470 that other other witnesses have 2205 01:34:00,980 --> 01:33:59,250 experienced similar things but I just 2206 01:34:03,260 --> 01:34:00,990 don't have any first-hand accounts of 2207 01:34:05,090 --> 01:34:03,270 yeah like you just mentioned this is 2208 01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:05,100 probably a very difficult thing for 2209 01:34:08,510 --> 01:34:07,410 anyone to talk about yeah because as 2210 01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:08,520 soon as you do people think you're crazy 2211 01:34:14,450 --> 01:34:11,250 you know because it's in admittedly it 2212 01:34:18,110 --> 01:34:14,460 sounds crazy I totally get it I totally 2213 01:34:22,010 --> 01:34:18,120 understand yeah yeah you know I decided 2214 01:34:24,350 --> 01:34:22,020 a long time ago Martin did I just I 2215 01:34:27,170 --> 01:34:24,360 sense I still a sense of obligation in a 2216 01:34:31,010 --> 01:34:27,180 sense of duty here that is hard to put 2217 01:34:34,490 --> 01:34:31,020 in words yeah yeah and I I will throw 2218 01:34:35,690 --> 01:34:34,500 myself under the bus to make sure that 2219 01:34:37,900 --> 01:34:35,700 it's known that this thing really 2220 01:34:39,830 --> 01:34:37,910 happened and they were real objects and 2221 01:34:43,070 --> 01:34:39,840 someone in our government had better 2222 01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:43,080 wake up and just so you know and we're 2223 01:34:47,810 --> 01:34:44,850 getting short on time my personal goal 2224 01:34:50,500 --> 01:34:47,820 here is for a group of us witnesses from 2225 01:34:52,940 --> 01:34:50,510 the nimitz incident they gimbal incident 2226 01:34:55,580 --> 01:34:52,950 on the East Coast and other incidents I 2227 01:34:57,290 --> 01:34:55,590 might not even be aware of yet and I I 2228 01:34:58,970 --> 01:34:57,300 want to get a group of us together and I 2229 01:35:00,350 --> 01:34:58,980 would like to go to Congress I'd like to 2230 01:35:03,050 --> 01:35:00,360 sit down with them and I'd like to tell 2231 01:35:04,910 --> 01:35:03,060 them firsthand what happened in at the 2232 01:35:06,230 --> 01:35:04,920 same time if we could subpoena some of 2233 01:35:08,870 --> 01:35:06,240 the radar data and some of the 2234 01:35:11,390 --> 01:35:08,880 communications data some of the CC data 2235 01:35:14,780 --> 01:35:11,400 that was captured that day and presented 2236 01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:14,790 all to Congress then my job will have 2237 01:35:19,850 --> 01:35:18,090 been done mm-hmm well I look I'd love to 2238 01:35:22,430 --> 01:35:19,860 see that happen too and you know we've 2239 01:35:26,150 --> 01:35:22,440 had me - we've had a number of people 2240 01:35:29,530 --> 01:35:26,160 this show is now way what is it 7 some 2241 01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:29,540 odd years maybe going on eight years 2242 01:35:33,610 --> 01:35:31,890 we've had a number of people that have 2243 01:35:36,230 --> 01:35:33,620 had military encounters it's not 2244 01:35:37,790 --> 01:35:36,240 something that's unusual you know it's 2245 01:35:40,310 --> 01:35:37,800 something that a lot of people talk 2246 01:35:43,610 --> 01:35:40,320 about and you know I've talked many 2247 01:35:45,470 --> 01:35:43,620 times on this show that before years ago 2248 01:35:47,270 --> 01:35:45,480 before I was even I ever had a sighting 2249 01:35:48,300 --> 01:35:47,280 or was ever into the topic you know my 2250 01:35:50,570 --> 01:35:48,310 insurance broker 2251 01:35:53,460 --> 01:35:50,580 told me that he was part of a special 2252 01:35:57,030 --> 01:35:53,470 task force during Vietnam that studied 2253 01:35:59,700 --> 01:35:57,040 UFOs and the Air Force which is another 2254 01:36:01,020 --> 01:35:59,710 bizarre thing I've never I think I 2255 01:36:02,340 --> 01:36:01,030 remembered his name but I've never been 2256 01:36:04,050 --> 01:36:02,350 able to find him again to talk to him 2257 01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:04,060 about it since I've you know I've been 2258 01:36:07,890 --> 01:36:06,130 talking about this and it's kind of 2259 01:36:11,250 --> 01:36:07,900 probably unique about the Nimitz 2260 01:36:13,770 --> 01:36:11,260 incident is just because of the the type 2261 01:36:15,300 --> 01:36:13,780 and quality of evidence it's is actually 2262 01:36:17,670 --> 01:36:15,310 available right we've got all these 2263 01:36:19,230 --> 01:36:17,680 witnesses and that data is out there 2264 01:36:21,210 --> 01:36:19,240 somewhere I mean I'm pretty sure it 2265 01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:21,220 didn't get destroyed some it's someone 2266 01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:23,770 has possession of it somewhere there's 2267 01:36:28,950 --> 01:36:25,930 me and I think it needs to get in get 2268 01:36:31,650 --> 01:36:28,960 into it needs to be presented in the the 2269 01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:31,660 government needs to say yeah this is 2270 01:36:35,310 --> 01:36:33,970 real and we don't know what it is or if 2271 01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:35,320 they do know what it is it's time to 2272 01:36:39,480 --> 01:36:35,650 tell us 2273 01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:39,490 mm-hmm yeah there's there's I'm sure 2274 01:36:45,150 --> 01:36:42,850 there's somewhere somewhere somehow 2275 01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:45,160 there is a lot of of this type of 2276 01:36:50,850 --> 01:36:48,730 evidence who knows where it is but you 2277 01:36:55,190 --> 01:36:50,860 know there's a there's cases many cases 2278 01:36:59,640 --> 01:36:55,200 where footage has been confiscated from 2279 01:37:01,740 --> 01:36:59,650 out near in California missile launch 2280 01:37:04,890 --> 01:37:01,750 that had an object you know shoot a 2281 01:37:09,900 --> 01:37:04,900 radar to disarm it it was an onion Oh 2282 01:37:13,440 --> 01:37:09,910 unarmed weapon anyway to begin with it 2283 01:37:17,580 --> 01:37:13,450 was a missile test from that data that 2284 01:37:21,780 --> 01:37:17,590 was taken from an astronauts Gordon 2285 01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:21,790 Cooper's film was taken when his crew 2286 01:37:29,490 --> 01:37:25,330 saw an object land in the desert there's 2287 01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:29,500 just countless those J al of 16 25 I 2288 01:37:38,790 --> 01:37:35,290 think it is the that encounter was that 2289 01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:38,800 was taken all the data from that was you 2290 01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:41,170 know taken so somewhere there sits I do 2291 01:37:46,710 --> 01:37:43,810 believe there sits maybe not in the same 2292 01:37:48,930 --> 01:37:46,720 location but and maybe not by the same 2293 01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:48,940 group of whoever's handling these things 2294 01:37:55,310 --> 01:37:52,330 but that really hard that really good 2295 01:37:58,680 --> 01:37:55,320 hard evidence does exist somewhere and 2296 01:38:01,810 --> 01:37:58,690 it would be fascinating if it all came 2297 01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:01,820 out yeah it is 2298 01:38:04,930 --> 01:38:03,530 okay if I put in a short plug for the 2299 01:38:08,350 --> 01:38:04,940 conference coming up oh yeah we read 2300 01:38:10,930 --> 01:38:08,360 ahead sure yeah Lhasa in Nevada next 2301 01:38:15,210 --> 01:38:10,940 week again I think the date started 24th 2302 01:38:19,150 --> 01:38:15,220 through the 31st of March UFO Megacon 2303 01:38:21,850 --> 01:38:19,160 comm UFO Megaton calm and if you go 2304 01:38:23,230 --> 01:38:21,860 there you'll see a list of speakers some 2305 01:38:24,970 --> 01:38:23,240 very familiar names are going to be 2306 01:38:27,220 --> 01:38:24,980 there I'm I'm gonna be there myself I'll 2307 01:38:29,290 --> 01:38:27,230 be given a one-hour talk on Saturday and 2308 01:38:33,070 --> 01:38:29,300 then on the Wednesday there's actually a 2309 01:38:36,690 --> 01:38:33,080 military whistleblowers panel and the 2310 01:38:42,670 --> 01:38:36,700 organizers melinda Leslie and Lorene 2311 01:38:44,500 --> 01:38:42,680 Fenton and their whole group they've put 2312 01:38:47,440 --> 01:38:44,510 together some packages so we keep trying 2313 01:38:49,660 --> 01:38:47,450 to keep it as affordable for for as many 2314 01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:49,670 people as possible to show up there it's 2315 01:38:53,170 --> 01:38:50,690 gonna be a lot of fun there's gonna be 2316 01:38:54,370 --> 01:38:53,180 some there's me a guy there scanning for 2317 01:38:56,200 --> 01:38:54,380 implants and there's gonna be some 2318 01:38:59,860 --> 01:38:56,210 doctors would be there so that 2319 01:39:02,310 --> 01:38:59,870 psychiatrists there and some very 2320 01:39:05,620 --> 01:39:02,320 familiar very familiar names in the UFO 2321 01:39:07,810 --> 01:39:05,630 community will be there right I should 2322 01:39:09,730 --> 01:39:07,820 be a lot of fun well excellent I'm glad 2323 01:39:13,900 --> 01:39:09,740 I'm glad they yeah they called on you to 2324 01:39:15,700 --> 01:39:13,910 do that that's great and I am too yeah 2325 01:39:18,550 --> 01:39:15,710 and Jason who didn't make the show 2326 01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:18,560 tonight will be there so we'll Dave big 2327 01:39:24,850 --> 01:39:20,930 it'll be there yep Dave beta will be 2328 01:39:26,530 --> 01:39:24,860 there yeah and yeah I think I saw George 2329 01:39:31,780 --> 01:39:26,540 Knapp was going to be there and George 2330 01:39:34,450 --> 01:39:31,790 Noory and a number of people yep 2331 01:39:36,210 --> 01:39:34,460 and let's see Lou Elizondo is not going 2332 01:39:39,010 --> 01:39:36,220 to be there though right 2333 01:39:41,580 --> 01:39:39,020 mmm not not to my knowledge you know he 2334 01:39:44,950 --> 01:39:41,590 was just last week he was in Huntsville 2335 01:39:46,270 --> 01:39:44,960 at the SCU convention I think I don't 2336 01:39:47,440 --> 01:39:46,280 even know if he's in the United States 2337 01:39:49,930 --> 01:39:47,450 right now but he couldn't make it 2338 01:39:51,940 --> 01:39:49,940 unfortunately yeah yeah it would be good 2339 01:39:52,330 --> 01:39:51,950 to see him again yeah some stuff to tell 2340 01:39:55,330 --> 01:39:52,340 him 2341 01:39:57,400 --> 01:39:55,340 yeah that's great well it's been 2342 01:39:59,560 --> 01:39:57,410 fabulous I really appreciate it I'm 2343 01:40:02,170 --> 01:39:59,570 really glad that you came on the show we 2344 01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:02,180 got things worked out enough to get you 2345 01:40:09,160 --> 01:40:07,010 here so unfortunate was on skype but I'm 2346 01:40:11,740 --> 01:40:09,170 really glad that you were able to call 2347 01:40:14,140 --> 01:40:11,750 in and you were able to do the show 2348 01:40:15,400 --> 01:40:14,150 thanks so much and can someone send you 2349 01:40:17,410 --> 01:40:15,410 a message or 2350 01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:17,420 is there a way to do that or should I 2351 01:40:23,320 --> 01:40:19,730 just ask them to email me at martinet 2352 01:40:25,270 --> 01:40:23,330 podcast UFO doc I have I have no problem 2353 01:40:26,710 --> 01:40:25,280 giving my email address actually have 2354 01:40:30,370 --> 01:40:26,720 done it before and there's no problem 2355 01:40:33,730 --> 01:40:30,380 sure Kevin em Kevin and Emmas and market 2356 01:40:35,080 --> 01:40:33,740 Kevin MD at yahoo.com I'll go ahead and 2357 01:40:38,830 --> 01:40:35,090 laugh at Yahoo I've had that email 2358 01:40:41,230 --> 01:40:38,840 account for since 98 I think so I have I 2359 01:40:44,020 --> 01:40:41,240 still have a yahoo i nee a well account 2360 01:40:45,970 --> 01:40:44,030 thanks so much Kevin you take care your 2361 01:40:47,710 --> 01:40:45,980 I will thank you thank you and my it was 2362 01:40:50,230 --> 01:40:47,720 my honor all right thanks a lot 2363 01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:50,240 hi guys bye bye alright that's it for 2364 01:40:56,920 --> 01:40:53,090 the show thank you so much everyone we 2365 01:40:59,080 --> 01:40:56,930 are going to be back next week and we 2366 01:41:06,090 --> 01:40:59,090 are going to be talking about the Aztec 2367 01:41:10,780 --> 01:41:06,100 UFO crash with with Scott and Suzanne 2368 01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:10,790 the name is just a rant Ramsey Ramsey 2369 01:41:17,200 --> 01:41:13,610 yes thank you anyway we'll be back next 2370 01:41:20,470 --> 01:41:17,210 week and thanks everyone thanks for your 2371 01:41:26,630 --> 01:41:20,480 support and remember to keep your eyes 2372 01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:34,029 [Music]